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State lottery debate hits big question: Are people dumb?

The debate on a bill to neuter the state lottery hinged on one question Wednesday as a House panel considered the measure. "Do you really think the people of North Carolina are dumb?" state Rep. Mickey Michaux asked the bill sponsor. "What you are trying to do here is regulate people's actions."

Michaux, a Durham Democrat, meant it as a serious question and Republican Paul "Skip" Stam said he considered it a good one. "It's variable," said Stam, a lead sponsor. "Even the smartest person given false information will act in a different way."

The measure -- dubbed "The Honest Lottery Act", or HB156 -- is aimed at limiting the N.C. Education Lottery's advertising and games, which the bill sponsors consider misleading. Stam agreed to remove a provision to change the lottery's name to the N.C. State Lottery because it would cost $6 million to rebrand.

Michaux also raised a question about preventing the lottery from citing the role of an accountant or auditor when advertising or making winning number announcements. "If you want to inform people, you ought to let them know there is somebody standing back there with an honest face," Michaux said.

Stam disagreed about the integrity of a lottery. "It's not on the up and up," he said earlier in the debate. "It's a scam."

The bill is making strange political bedfellows with Stam, the speaker pro tem and former GOP leader, signed on with House Democratic Leader Larry Hall and top Democrat Rep. Rick Glazier. At the hearing, Glazer explained he voted to establish the lottery years ago but has since "developed a concern about gambling in any form." He also lamented that state lawmakers from both parties are using the lottery to supplant state money for education, not supplement the funding.

The bill didn't get a vote in the House Judiciary subcommittee Wednesday to allow more revisions and comment at another meeting.


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Republican Hypocrisy, Again

Why in the world is Paul Stam arguing *against* personal responsibility, the free market, and the right to spend one's own money as one sees fit? When did he cross over to the other side of the aisle? Just another sign that Stam, like the current crop of Republicans in the NC legislature, likes to talk about free markets but is really more interested in regulating peoples lives the way he thinks they should be run.

Speakin' of dumb

Electing a chair of the state Democratic Party who is in arrears for paying state and federal income taxes?

Didn't Dumplin use lottery funds for other purposes?

I think Bev shuttled some lottery money for some other purpose during her term, didn't she.

But I do enjoy those Nature Boy Ric Flair ads encouraging us to buy lottery tickets. And that advertisement telling us to buy lottery tickets as Christmas gifts was really catchy. Giving lottery tickets to celebrate Christmas?

Being dumb is in the eye of the beholder. It's like making an "A" in a no-show class. It looks good on your transcript but it does not necessarily help you pick winning lottery numbers.

Some are dumb

Enough are to vote in a President who wants, above all else, to destroy America.

Lottery

Perhaps a better question to ponder is whether we were dumb to enact a haphazard and regressive taxation scheme like the lottery to fund an essential service like education.

Lottery Funds

I am still wondering why the Govenor withdrew funds from the lottery and it was not for education/schools/etc or paying a winner.

What was so important or urgent for him to do this now. what was it used for? He took money out of the BRAC funds when he was still a mayor. Ft Bragg Commands have not forgotten & will not. Since the intended project still isn't completed but his interstate around Charlette is completed.
So is the lottery funds going to use/wasted on one of his pet projects?

Why do you care?

ABSOLUTELY RIGHT!!!

But ... in today's "perfect safety" world, there are a lot of people who sincerely believe that EVERYONE should ALWAYS be protected from doing ANYTHING which MIGHT possibly harm them...

Just an indication of decay of a culture. Humans did not get where we are (all the GOOD things...) by avoiding ALL risks.

Also, if, when those "defenders of safety" worry about dumb people playing the Lotto and EXPECTING to win, the problem isn't low IQ, it's more like an educational system (run by the government, dontchaknow?) that has failed to teach those people some basic math.

Hoping to win is one thing. Expecting to win or DEPENDING on winning is something else.

ah, Dumb North Carolinians... right.....

Yes unequivocally it seems like a sizable percentage of North Carolinians are in fact dumb. Any state which elects such nitwits to the General Assembly and voted for looser Presidential Candidate Mitt Romney deserves to be regarded as dumb .... or worse ..... quite ignorant.

>>>> Ah, Bruce, the correct word is "loser," not "looser."

Kinda undercuts your comment about "dumb North Carolinians," doesn't it?

:)

Yes unequivocally it seems

Yes unequivocally it seems like a sizable percentage of North Carolinians are in fact dumb. Any state which elects such nitwits to the General Assembly and voted for looser Presidential Candidate Mitt Romney deserves to be regarded as dumb .... or worse ..... quite ignorant.

Lottery

Why do any of you care? This money is ponied up voluntarily by the people that play the lottery. Are you people so anal that you think you have to do the thinking for everyone in this state. So what if people are dumb enough to play the lottery; that's their business not yours. I had rather see part of the lottery money go to education, rather than have a politician's hand in my pocket. Believe me there is more waste by "government bureaucracy" than in the lottery. Just get a life people!

Consentual robbery of the poor

Years before our state government made the same mistake, many other states were already sucked into the same lottery black hole. The same problems that we are experiencing now were in full view in other states way back then. Perhaps it was more hubris than stupidity. We were too blessed with intelligence in our state that we would be immune to rampant lottery failures elsewhere. The easy prey targets of a lottery are mostly the down and out folks who need to keep their money for daily essentials. This consentual robbery of the poor needs to stop.

$6 MILLION TO DROP THE WORD "EDUCATION"?

Two things are dumb here:

1) Whoever came up with the $6 million cost to rebrand the lottery without the word "Education". Are they proposing tossing all the old envelopes and letterhead into the dumpster the morning the name change goes into effect? Nobody does that.

2) Anyone who buys more than one lottery ticket at a time. The first ticket buys you entertainment value. The second ticket is not just gambling, but bad gambling.

"Do you really think the people of North Carolina are dumb?"

Not all of them, but the ones that play the lottery are.

Oh, the irony of having an "Education" Lottery.

Stay out of my business!!

Why is it that the republicans always spout off about the government staying out of my business...except for how I want to spend my money. I don't smoke, I don't drink but I do buy a lottery ticket once in a while. Why should that bother anyone.

What a waste

While it is not my right nor that of anyone else who might choose to dictate actions of other individuals, we can only hope that the people of North Carolina are smarter than some of the non-thinking politicians in Washington. Should we be concerned about people of and in North Carolina spending what they do not have or should not spend on gambling? The answer is YES. Of interest is the fact that if some of these people can actually beat the odds and win money, maybe they can put most of it back in their pockets for proper use but at least they will not be sending a portion (is it 35%) to the Federal Government so they can GIVE AWAY the money to countries that not only do not care for us and have not made any real effort to comply with proper globally accepted practices. If we can afford to give $250,000,000 to Egypt and the Brotherhood of Muslims, then we don't need to collect that tax money from those people who do manage to win something in whatever "LOOTERY" they play. The odds are already against them and when you allow a group of politicians who are morally bankrupt to start with to give that tax money away, then we have much more serious problems than taking away some of the hopes and dreams that some lottery players exist on.

What the heck?

Why in the world is Paul Stam arguing *against* personal responsibility, the free market, and the right to spend one's own money as one sees fit? When did he cross over to the other side of the aisle?

Lootaries are a huge scam on

Lootaries are a huge scam on the public, not quite as big the "medicaid/medicare entitlement scam" but a big scam. You take 4 or 5 times the amount of money the lootary raises for use, and give it to bureaucrats, advertisers, fat-cats, etc., Not sure if NC is there yet, but in NY the typical lootary player can not determine the number of $2 lootary tickets he/she can by with a $10 bill (seen it many many times). I am certain if we keep the lootary that is where we are headed.....

democrats think so

Democratic chairman Randy Voller told us that MOST North Carolina residents do not understand what voter ID means.

That the voter id was a "Jim Crow" style of disenfranchisement.

So yes, the democrats do believe North Carolinians are dumb.

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