Sens. tear into ed lobbyists


State budget writers and representatives of the N.C. Association of Educators exchanged some cross words over the budget and the ed reps' claim that the Senate side is favoring state universities over K-12 classrooms.

The dust up exposed a rift between top Democrats in the legislature and an association that has a history of strong support for the party's candidates, Lynn Bonner reports.

The fight comes at a point in the budget wrangling where key members from each chamber are trying to agree on a budget and a tax package.

NCAE published an "Action Alert" says that Senate budget writers were ready to shortchange K-12 education while supporting public and private universities.

The legislative update quoted president Sheri Strickland saying, "They spend the fall telling the public that Democrats are to be trusted to protect public education. They even come to our headquarters trolling for money and with a straight face talk about the Democratic platform of protecting and professionalizing public education. All the while they are plotting and planning how to gut the classroom in favor of more bureaucracy and unaccountability."

Senators are not happy after the jump.

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The message attributed the information about the negotiations to a House budget writer, but at a meeting this afternoon, none of the House members copped to being the source when senators brought up the NCAE electronic newsletter.

"What are you talking about?" Rep. Mickey Michaux of Durham asked when senators started talking about the NCAE message. "I don't know of anyone over here who would say anything like that."

Apparently, the negotiators haven't dug in to the education budget yet.

"We haven't even talked about that," said Senate majority leader Tony Rand of Fayetteville.

Sen. Linda Garrou, a Winston-Salem Democrat, said she brought up the issue to clear the air.

The yelling started after the senators moved to another room to talk about a House proposal, and the NCAE lobbyists came in to talk.

Lobbyist Cecil Banks pointed to statistics that show "K-12 spending is on the slide."

The NCAE brought along figures that show that K-12 spending has declined from 41.1 percent of the budget in 1999 to 37.7 percent last year, while spending on state universities has remained at about 13 percent over.

Rand shot back that increased state spending on Medicaid was the reason. "Medicaid. It's known as Medicaid, Cecil."

Budget writers said their meetings are open to the public, but Banks said they aren't really.

Budget negotiations are not announced like other committee meetings are, he said, and when the public is there, they aren't given the paper work legislators exchange, so it's impossible to know what they're talking about.

"It's not really an open meeting process," he said.

Anyone who shows up at 8 a.m. will find the budget writers at work, Rand said.

Garrou said she didn't appreciate the message NCAE sent its members.

"It was very hurtful to me," she said.



Document(s):
NCAE brief.pdf

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Re: WOW

"They have to be scratching their heads wondering what that $4 million they gave to North Carolina Democrats in 2008 actually bought them."

Well, a dollar won't buy what it used to!

Re: Sens. tear into ed lobbyists

This is all probably some minor lover's tiff. Love conquers all things and I'm sure they'll make up soon. We will "save the classrooms" and "stand up for education" and "invest in the future" and all be eating off the dollar menu.

WOW

This looks like grounds for an ethics complaint.

Of course the NCAE has probably been intimidated into silence. I also doubt they actually want to do any real damage to a Democrat.

They have to be scratching their heads wondering what that $4 million they gave to North Carolina Democrats in 2008 actually bought them.

Re: Sens. tear into ed lobbyists

Wal-Mart BOD William Simon is a key player in Water Contamination Scandal & misappropriation of NC Clean Water Trust Funds….
Simon may very well be remembered as the biggest hypocrite of all times. While Gov.Perdue has been able to cover up for Weyerhaeuser & James M.Adams stealing Clean Water Trust Funds for River Dunes, William Simon has also been pitching the praise of the corruption of River Dunes.
Simon used Clean Water Trust Funds intended for low income people (Wal-Mart Customers) to subsidize himself & River Dunes.
Knew or should have known puts Simon and Wal-Mart in the middle of an environmental injustice fight.
Camp LeJeune/Castle Hayne and Pee Dee Aquifers are contaminated that serve as over 30 million people, harmed parties have asked Waterfront Sportsman to come out publicly and call for a total boycott of Wal-Mart by all Military Forces around the World to bring attention to the harmed parties and the scamming of the Clean Water Trust Fund by Perdue, Simon and Adams.

Opie & Andy talk politics.

Episode #323: Opie and Andy talk about politics in the “Old North State:”

Opie: Pa, why can’t the Republicans attend the budget writers’ negotiations?

Pa: Op, it’s not necessary.

Opie: But don’t they want their opinion?

Pa: No, Op, they don’t. You see, son, they already know what the Republicans are gonna say.

Opie: What’s that, Pa?

Pa: The Republicans are gonna say, “Hey, why don’t we spend less money than we have been spending rather that spending more.”

Opie: Is that like saving money?

Pa: Exactly, son.

Opie: What’s wrong with that?

Pa: Well, Op, some people think it is a sin to spend less money than you did last year.

Opie: Even if you have less money coming in.

Pa: That’s right, Op. You are one smart boy.

Opie: If you spend more but have less money coming in, where does the extra money come from?

Pa: New taxes.

Opie: But I thought times were tight. And you said I could not get a new bike because times were hard.

Pa: Yes, son, that’s right. Times are hard and we must watch every penny.

Opie: Why don’t our elected representatives do that?

Pa: Op, remember when Rev Tucker preached talked about the “wiles of the devil?”

Opie: Yes.

Pa: And remember what I told you about lobbyist chicken?

Opie: Only that is was special chicken…….like free range or something with special herbs and spices and made from the tenderest part of the chicken and oven roasted over hickory chips, the chicken being coated in pure honey by seven maids a’ milkin’.

Pa: Right. Now add the “wiles of the devil” and “lobbyist chicken” and you have a powerful combination.

Opie: What’s this combination called? The devil’s chicken?

Pa: No, Op, it’s called a politician who ……………………………………………

Opie: Pa, I didn’t catch that last part.

Pa: Son, you may not be old enough to understand.

Opie: How old do you have to be to understand?

Pa: Pretty old evidently. I don’t even understand it myself.

Re: Sens. tear into ed lobbyists

Quite disturbing !

It seems that our senators are getting a little uppity. I'm sure these lobbyists will put them in their place. What is the world coming to when a senator cannot take directions from a lobbyist?

It's time for the lobbyists to set the record straight and tell these "elected representatives of the people" exactly who is running this state.

(Note: This message bought to you by the lobbying firm of Too Poor To Pay Attention, (TPTPA) who represent the average working family of North Carolina who are already working several jobs just to keep their heads above water.....and that's before the coming massive tax increases. Hey, but don't worry about us. We're just here taking up space.)

NCAE access vs. Republicans

Isn't it amazing that the NCAE and University lobbyists have more access to the budget writers' negotiations than any of the Republicans in the State House or Senate. I guess that is what money gets you.

As others have said, it is obvious that the only focus is on how the democratic politicans will spend the increased taxes that Beverly and others are demanding from us. There is no mention as to how the state can do things better or smarter with what they are already getting from us poor taxpayers.

Re: Sens. tear into ed lobbyists

It seems that education lobbyists have begun a game of Family Feud within the context of ongoing budget negotiations.

No talk of economic growth occurs in the General Assembly these days, only discussion about how to apportion $1.6 billion in new tax revenue to each special interest group equally.

Amongst the winners and losers in this debate, voters facing $1.6 billion in new taxes are the clearest losers.

Re: Sens. tear into ed lobbyists

Educators fighting with the legislators they paid to get elected.
How quaint. Anyone buying this?

Re: Sens. tear into ed lobbyists

Our society wants public education in K-12 to do two things. First, it should make sure that high school graduates are so well prepared for the work force that it is not necessary to go to college to get a good job. Second, it should make sure that those high school graduates who wish to go to college are prepared to do so without any need for any remedial courses in college. Because of limited resources, these two goals will always be in tension, but our statesmen need to grapple with that tension.

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I can not believe they give more to UNC and not K-12. How do they think kids get to college. I sure thought they have to go through K-12 before getting to college???? You talk about kids in schools; look at you adults acting like K-12 kids?????? No wonder Education is down in NC???? This is so sad. I guess I will go to the welfare line tomorrow since I won't have a job to go to?????? I hope UNC Teach the kids this year.