Lancaster defends illegal immigrant policy

I strongly urge you to test the theory. G'head, really.

I'm sure the honorable governor Easley and Mr. Lancaster are counting their lucky stars about now that state rep Thomas Wright is taking the heat off of them. I hope no one forgets what Easley and Lancaster want for this state but when you are lame duck I guess you can get away with stuff like this. Might hurt some in their party though.

We watch the same TV shows, listen to the same radio shows, have a McDonalds and KFC in every state, buy the same cars and products

McDonalds
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KFC
Andorra, Antigua and Barbuda, Aruba, Australia, Austria, Bahamas, Bahrain, Bangladesh, Barbados, Bermuda, Botswana, Brazil, Bulgaria, Canada, Cayman Islands, Chile, People's Republic of China, Colombia, Costa Rica, Curaçao, Cyprus, Czech Republic, Denmark, Dominica, Dominican Republic, Ecuador, El Salvador, Egypt, Fiji, France, Germany, Grenada, Greece, Guyana, Honduras, Hong Kong, Hungary, Iceland, India, Indonesia, Iran, Ireland, Israel, Jamaica, Japan, Jordan, Kuwait, Lebanon, Macau, Malaysia, Malta, Mauritius, Mexico, Morocco, Namibia, Netherlands, New Zealand, Oman, Pakistan, Panama, Peru, Philippines, Poland, Portugal, Puerto Rico, Qatar, Romania, Russia, Saint Lucia, Saint Vincent and the Grenadines, Saudi Arabia, Serbia, Singapore, Slovakia, South Africa, South Korea, Spain, Sri Lanka, Syria, Taiwan, Thailand, Trinidad and Tobago, Turkey, U.S. Virgin Islands, United Arab Emirates, United Kingdom, United States, Venezuela, Vietnam, Yemen, Zimbabwe

If you get a speeding ticket it will stick and you will have to pay. It just means you can't ever go to a community college or university in North Carolina. Oh, and you have to leave your car where you were stopped, walk home and stay there for the rest of your life. [/snark]

NC Community Colleges run numerous educational programs inside prisons. These include academic, vocational and life skills programs.

On-site classroom courses for college credit are currently offered by UNC at approximately twenty-five participating North Carolina correctional facilities.

If you think food sanitation is only about washing your hands you might want to check out this NC state link or this federal link.

If illegal is no longer going to be illegal in North Carolina per the governor and people like Martin Lancaster, then does that mean if I get a speeding ticket then it's not going to stick because even though there is a law against speeding, well in North Carolina we just kinda overlook that little illegal stuff?

5. Unless the federal government reforms immigration policy, it is unlikely that the students will ever return home. Illegal immigrants are currently working in nearly every field. "Do we want these workers to be knowledge workers or ignorant workers?"

We want them to be deported ignorant workers, the same as when they jumped the border. Get educated in your home country.

"Illegal immigrants are currently working in nearly every field."

Ohmygosh, is GWBush lying? Say it ain't so. I thought they only did the jobs that Americans weren't willing to do...

And if he knows that illegals are working in nearly every field then why isn't he deporting in nearly every field?

"Many European countries are experience more significant violent, destructive and terrorist activity by immigrants who have for years been denied basic rights and services. North Carolina and the U.S. faces that same future if it refuses to educate immigrants and make them productive members of society."

First, in this country, no immigrants are denied rights and services.

Second, the subject is illegal aliens, not immigrants.

Third, deport, this way illegals can't do what is being predicted.

Fourth, doing what is suggested and not deporting increases the chance of the threats outlined.

Amen, brother.

But about that group that cannot vote remark, check the web. Type in "voter fraud democrats" and prepare to be (sadly) shocked.

It started en masse with the drivers licenses for illegals or fill out a form. All they have to do is check a box pledging they are American citizens (they promise). If there is an audit (rare) no one is ever fined, deported, or imprisoned, their vote is simply not counted. Dornan vs Sanchez.

Democrat groups encourage this. And if an illegal is challenged all they have to do is call the ACLU who will accuse the polling representative of "racism" and sue for the illegals' right to vote, you horrible racist you. Check the ACLU website.

I don't understand why everyone keeps saying illegals students have a right to a K-12 education. If the government determines their illegality then after they and their parents are deported they shouldn't have access to the country anymore. So where does this right to an education come from?

Why is a "right to an education" law enforceable but the deportation law is not enforceable?

Also, I understand it is illegal to ask the immigration status of someone who visits a hospital. Why not just consider it an "undocumented" inquiry?

Why do our laws favor illegals and undermine our immigration laws?

"Each of the students had the right to receive a free public education through high school."

This is not true. They had the right to deportation through high school. Why is it that deportation is not exercised year after year after year through government not enforcing the law and then, when the child is grown, that same government says "we have a problem here that must be addressed?" "We need to provide college for these kids.(?)" Deport early and often and this won't fester into a problem. Government, enforce the law.

Your comment that these people are coming here for a better life is absurd. No, not everyone would do the same thing.

Y'know, I've always wanted a better life. I think I will drive to Beverly Hills and move into someone else's nice house. After all, who could blame me; we all just want a better life. Then, maybe go to a Mercedes dealer and take a car. After all, who could blame me; we all just want a better life. The word is called anarchy and is great for the thief, not so good for the victim of theft.

There are these things called the rules of life and ownership. American citizens own America. Foreign citizens own their own countries. Unless they are invited in, foreign citizens are not allowed to live in our country.

The issue is not immigration. The issue is illegal aliens. US immigration terms: alien (a foreign national), illegal alien (a foreign national living illegally in the US).

US Immigration policy is set by OUR government.

Illegal alien influx is an attempt by foreign nations to set our immigration policy; as such, this is hostile to our sovereignty.

US immigration law is not determined by the bible. The first amendment to our constitution states Congress shall establlish no law on the basis of religion. Fortunately, witches are no longer stoned or burned. Demons don't need to be tossed out, nor are slaves required to obey their master, either.

As far as kindness to a stranger, one or a few strangers fine. 20 million who are taking advantage of a situation, no.

I understand racism better than you. You are falsely implying that I am a racist. If you don't speak or understand Spanish then why are you supporting Mexico's invasion? I would rather be CALLED racist than actually BE stupid and ignorant.

I will take 100 brown english speaking citizens over 100 white spanish speaking illegal aliens.

So, your point is for the homeowner to insure he is burglarized by someone of the same race? It is my country. We make immigration laws for whatever reason we want. Deport.

In what way am I multicultural? While it is true that US culture is built from aspects that come from many different countries, it has assimilated into one culture. We watch the same TV shows, listen to the same radio shows, have a McDonalds and KFC in every state, buy the same cars and products, and live under a united federal government.

The language of the US is english. Let's not let a bunch of burglars and stowaways change it. I will take the same deal Mexico has. Deport.

It's like a ship that has been boarded by hundreds of stowaways demanding "rights" while some of the idiot passengers say it is inhuman, cruel, and racist to remove the stowaways from the boat.

Then the idiot sympathizer passengers say that the stowaways are the victims and the ship's captain is oppressing the stowaways.

The passengers should not have to go through this to begin with.

Get it right! America is the victim and illegal aliens are the aggressors.

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— RTB 

sorry to disappoint you, I'm not Spanish, I don't speak Spanish, I don't understand Spanish. I do understand racism though.

If you hate multiculturalism you're living in the wrong country. This whole country was based on multiculturalism.
Unless you're a full blooded Native American you're multicultural yourself.

Looks like LaRaza (the hispanic Klan) is posting. But I have to admit the hispanic Klan is having more success with the US congress than the American Klan.

Get this straight. We are the ones who are being invaded. We are the victims. The invaders are the aggressors. Stop trying to turn the situation around.

I am a proud hater. Jews hate Hitler. I hate the invaders who are turning our southwest into mexico norte. I hate bilingualism. I hate multiculturalism.

Immigrants and citizens are expected to assimilate into our multi-racial, mono-cultural society but for some reason illegals have a right to import their culture and shove it down our throats.

I hate Dianne Feinstein, Ted Kennedy, George Bush, and my congresswoman who also refuses to deport illegal aliens.

Many citizens enjoy working in the yard. I hate illegal landscapers who take US citizen jobs.

And I hate you, Hudba. Hate is not behavior; this is still America (despite Democrat attempts) and we have a right to our feelings when we are wronged.

Go Kelekat, right on.

Looking over these countries, you may know that Barrack Hussein Obama has already stated that he intends to educate Africa with US taxpayer dollars. Apparently, making spanish an official US language is just a beginning.

For oneupsmanship, I expect the other democrats and Ken W will want to move your listed countries' citizens here...

Signed, a former democrat in recovery.

Ken W., we are not discussing immigrants; get on board with the discussion. You insult my wife, a legal immigrant.

By your logic, other nations are also not "morally defensible." YOU and I are not welcome in a foreign nation without "documents," as you put it. You know your term is a joke; these people have plenty of documents, but none of them with permission to be here.

I have an idea, they can stay at your welcoming home. What's your address? Huum? Be sure to pay their medical bills on top of it.

Duh, only if the prison you are in lets you out to go to the community college. Citizens who kill citizens are still citizens. What country would you deport them to?

Each country is expected to handle their own criminals. Illegals are not our criminals, they belong to another country. That's why they should be deported back to their home.

Before the world became smaller, England used to prevent their criminal citizens from attending college in England by deporting them to a colony called Australia.

What on earth does US citizen crime have to do with foreign nationals who are not supposed to be in the country? Should foreign nationals who commit crime in their country be sent here? Oh, that's right, the Cuban boat lift under Jimmy Carter. Good move, Jimmy. Not.

And one does not need college to learn how to wash their hands. Duh...

Me, too. I switched from demo to republican on this single issue in June (when we citizens shut down amnesty). If I have to ally myself with republican rednecks to protect my country, then so be it. The dem's are in for a major lesson in '08.

What did it for me was democrat soft-headedness supporting millions of illegals clogging our streets on May 1, 06/and 07 who are demanding "rights." (where was INS/ICE?)

All democrat presidential candidates support spanish as an official US language (see the Miami univision debate). The illegals always point out our historical hostility to (legal) immigrants.

I defy the illegals to point out when a US presidential candidate in history supported making one of the immigrants' languages an official US languge that was not english.

No more bankrupt hospitals, no more bilingual/spanish speaking schools, no more lowering of wages, no more "bilingual required," no more "press 1 for english." No more lies...
Do what Mexico does with their illegals; deport, deport, deport.

Why are you posting in English; post in your native espanol. Either way, you won't be making an sense. Now, LaRaza, that's loony tunes.

"Each of the students had the right to receive a free public education through high school. "The perverse thing about the position many would have us take is that parents can strap a one year old child on their backs as they cross the Rio Grande and six months later have a second child and the two children would be treated very differently," Lancaster said."

Absolutely right. Fix the 14th amendment, deport the entire family; and in a timely manner so "college" after living YEARS in the country illegally doesn't become an issue. This problem has been created by the federal government failing to deport..

Isaac136, the adults are having a conversation. Please go watch your cartoons and let the adults resolve these important matters. We are not interested in hearing your views on the relevance of Bugs Bunny cartoons to one of the top political debates in America in 2007.

Sorry. You're right. Bugs would have said "macaroons," not maroons.

Thanks, Elmer.

No. But I feel that way about your comment.

Does anyone else skim through these loonie-tune ALIPAC posts and get an image of bugs bunny chomping a carrot and saying 'What a buncha maroons!"

If my kids have to pay and obey the law so should they. legal students should have priority in class signups.

Bad news for Easley and Lancaster and the Raleigh N&O, 76.7% of Americans opposed Educational Benefits for illegals. In NC, you can count on that number being higher above 89%!

Dec. 5, 2007

"As the debate heats up over whether or not the U.S. Government should provide benefits to undocumented immigrants, most Americans agree that it is not good for the country, according to the American Pulse(TM) Survey of 4,069 respondents. The majority of respondents said "No" when asked if they think undocumented immigrants should be given the following: Driver's License (81.7%), Business License (89.3%), Housing Assistance (82.8%), Educational Benefits (76.7%) and Job Training (73.7%). "

http://www.alipac.us/article-2769-thread-1-0.html

I too am a registered Democrat. I am furious with the response the democrats are giving to this issue. They are pandering to the pro-amnesty lobby and encouraging more criminal behavior. Deportation is the only answer at this point to save our state. Fine the companies that choose to Illegally hire the Illegals.

Part of the problem is employers who hire illegal aliens. Another problem is the Mexican government that has such horrible conditions their citizens are leaving in droves to come and invade us. I want my tax money to support my own country and countrymen, not bums from another country displacing my countrymen. The anchor babies will displace our own children and grandchildren unless we change laws and stop the practice. The illegals are knocking out babies faster than Americans are and they will take over by sheer numbers in less than a generation. I don't want my culture to be replaced just because of greedy business ownwers, vote hungry politicians and milk-toast American citizens who are too apathetic to care about their own culture and country.

Lancaster has lost the plot. Rewarding illegal aliens only encourages more to come.

I am a lifelong Democrat and a North Carolina taxpayer. But I am fed up with Governor Easley’s and Mr Lancaster's support of free education for illegal aliens. I am also fed up that these people are allowed to stay in North Carolina. I will NOT pay for illegal aliens.

Understand that if their treachery is successful—for any reason—I will NEVER vote Democrat again.

I am finding it hard to believe we have such poor excuses for people in places of trust. When did only the US Military have to be the only ones to answer to the rule of law? This whole group of Pro illegal aliens must have come from the 60's generation. They do not belong in places of trust.

Thanks to some people like Mr. Tancredo and Mr Gheen I have hope for a better tomorrow.

Mr. Tancredo and Mr. Gheen. I think highly of both of you for you steadfastness on the issue of illegal aliens and illegal immigration. Mr. Tancredo - I would like to vote for you for president in 2008. I have high hopes that you will be the Republic nominee or if not for the Republicans than as a Independent candidate. I will vote for you if you are on the ballot. Mr. Gheen - thank you for all your hard work with ALIPAC. I am registered with your site and look forward everyday to discovering who next is twisting the laws on illegal immigration to fit either his or her's opinions or whoever they report to. Please keep up the good work.

To Mr. Lancaster and Easily, shame on you for your lack of honor and loyalty to your country. You are the stench of the part of our country that is rotten and should have no place in the public forum.

I am finding it hard to believe we have such poor excuses for people in places of trust. When did only the US Military have to be the only ones to answer to the rule of law? This whole group of Pro illegal aliens must have come from the 60's generation. They do not belong in places of trust.

Thanks to some people like Mr. Tancredo and Mr Gheen I have hope for a better tomorrow.

Mr. Tancredo and Mr. Gheen. I think highly of both of you for you steadfastness on the issue of illegal aliens and illegal immigration. Mr. Tancredo - I would like to vote for you for president in 2008. I have high hopes that you will be the Republic nominee or if not for the Republicans than as a Independent candidate. I will vote for you if you are on the ballot. Mr. Gheen - thank you for all your hard work with ALIPAC. I am registered with your site and look forward everyday to discovering who next is twisting the laws on illegal immigration to fit either his or her's opinions or whoever they report to. Please keep up the good work.

To Mr. Lancaster and Easily, shame on you for your lack of honor and loyalty to your country. You are the stench of the part of our country that is rotten and should have no place in the public forum.

“If a cat gives birth in an oven it doesn’t make them biscuits!”, read that once, it may be appropriate for “anchor babies” from ILLEGALS.

Good point, Ben, no troublesome changes for the worse such as "Immgration Reform." Support our deportation laws. When I first immigration reform I thought we were finally going to deport. What a lie of terminology.

The comparison is made to Mexican and US culture. Our apologies if we offend millions of illegal invaders. We don't mean to be rude, but, you know, this racism charge is getting old since we citizens are dealing with an issue that shouldn't even exist. Our country would like to have other things to worry about.

Lesson Learned: It is the homeowner's responsibility to insure the burglar is the same race as the homeowner(??). Since Mexican culture is equal to US culture it is curious that more Mexicans don't stay in their wonderful country.

Oh, no, you have exposed the secret plan of America. This is all a ruse to entice hispanics to cross our border just so we can call them racist names. You nailed us.

It is amazing that the illegals are portrayed as victims. It is like saying the burglar is a victim and is being persecuted just for being in the owner's house "without permission." After all, the burglar just wants to clean the homeowner's windows, a job the homeowner is unwilling to do.

If your father murdered your mother it wouldn't make you ineligible to attend a community college.

Wouldn't you rather get your 99c. hamburger prepared by someone who took a sanitation course at a community college regardless of immigration status?

My response is more to the responders to Lancaster's statement but I will save a little something for him at the end.

I can't begin to explain how your responses have made me feel. I feel like there may well be a chance to stop illegal aliens from entering our country sooner than later and to deport the ones already here. I lived my formative years in the 60s & 70s and I have to say the mood of the people now reminds me of that time. Our numbers can make a difference.

I'd like to acknowledge two people from the responders: Mr. Tancredo and Mr. Gheen. I think highly of both of you for you steadfastness on the issue of illegal aliens and illegal immigration. Mr. Tancredo - I would like to vote for you for president in 2008. I have high hopes that you will be the Republic nominee or if not for the Republicans than as a Independent candidate. I will vote for you if you are on the ballot. Mr. Gheen - thank you for all your hard work with ALIPAC. I am registered with your site and look forward everyday to discovering who next is twisting the laws on illegal immigration to fit either his or her's opinions or whoever they report to. Please keep up the good work.

And finally, Mr. Lancaster and Mr. Easley - Your actions are disgraceful and I believe both of you should be removed from office.

Diane

First off, I oppose our illegal war of aggression and occupation of Iraq for it's oil.

Second, yes, I hate the invaders who disrespect our borders and are filling our streets every May 1 and demanding their "rights" in a country that is not theirs. Answer this: Mexico enforces their immigration laws (deports), why doesn't the US have the rights of Mexico?

Oh, and by the way, Mexico requires its (legal) immigrants to learn spanish. They deport anyone who protests their government. Will you stay consistent and call Mexico's citizens "haters?" Check the web for Mexico's immigration laws; they are more "hateful" than the US.

You are not reading these posts. We want the employers of illegals punished. Your implication that we support big business exploitation at the expense of the American worker is screwy.

Amen, brother.

And don't forget the fence surrounding the white house. I believe that is one fence GW DOES support.

Also, put our troops on the border. I am not surrounded by Iraqi's, here in California I'm surrounded by illegals demanding bilingualism.

No more "bilingual required," no more "Press one for english," no more bilingual and spanish only schools. No more bankrupting our hospitals and waiting in line behind illegal aliens who don't speak english.

As far as living in the shadows, a bright light will take care of that problem. When exposed, deport.

You are in a dream world. Get out more often and see for yourself what is going on in this state. We are overrun with Illegals and it is getting worse.

All human situations have their inconveniences. We feel those of the present but neither see nor feel those of the future; and hence we often make troublesome changes without amendment, and frequently for the worse.

Benjamin Franklin

Illegal is illegal, period. You are rewarding criminals. I have no sympathy for anyone here illegally, and anyone who does has a vested interest in illegal labor. I highly doubt everyone "living in the shadows"(see:illegal immigrant) is the honest, hardworking "migrant worker" people portray them as. 12 to 20 MILLION illegals? That's an invasion, people. The real war is on the southern border, not in Iraq or Afghanistan. Anyone who says a fence won't work is an idiot. Look at the fence that divides Cuba. Also, the Berlin wall was VERY effective. Try to cross, get shot. Oh, here's another fence that's been working quite well for a while. It divides North and South Korea. Try and sneak across that one. The crops will not rot in the fields if we did away with illegals, we can utilize prisoners for that or, wait a minute, here's an original thought, PAY A DECENT WAGE TO A LEGAL AMERICAN. My grandparents on my Dads side immigrated here legally. On my Moms side, Cherokee Indian. So don't tell me we were ALL illegal at some point. In closing, get legal or get out, and Lou Dobbs for President!!

Yep.