J. Williams Thorne, poet


Joseph Williams Thorne was a poet.

The state representative, kicked out in 1875 for advocating "a blasphemous doctrine," was a poet of enough renown that he was featured in "The Poets and Poetry of Chester County, Pennsylvania," for what that's worth.

Thorne, a Pennsylvanian by birth, moved to North Carolina in 1869. In 1875, he was elected to represent Warren County in the House.

Author George Johnston says Thorne was actually expelled "on account of his radical Republicanism"—meaning he was a pro-Reconstruction Northerner.

"Mr. Thorne is a member of the Society of Progressive Friends: the document referred to in the resolution was a pamphlet published by him in reply to a lecture delivered in Coatesville, Chester County, by Joseph Barker, with doctrines advanced to which Mr. Thorne did not agree."

That doesn't exactly clear things up for Dome, although we would hazard that the group was likely Quaker and tolerated all sorts of Northeastern back-and-forth about God that didn't sound too good when dredged up down South.

Interestingly, the legislature later felt bad about kicking him out.

The following year, Thorne was elected to the state Senate. Five years later, the House voted unanimously to expunge the expulsion from the record, Johnston notes.

Hat Tip: Paul Jones

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Re: "Where were there Quakers?"

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quaker_history

"The Society in Ireland, and later, the United States suffered a number of separations during the 19th century. In 1827-28, the views and popularity of Elias Hicks resulted in a division within five yearly meetings, Philadelphia, New York, Ohio, Indiana, and Baltimore. Rural Friends, who had increasingly chafed under the control of urban leaders, sided with Hicks and naturally took a stand against strong discipline in doctrinal questions. Those who supported Hicks were tagged as "Hicksites," while Friends who opposed him were labeled "Orthodox." The latter had more adherents overall but were plagued by subsequent splintering. The only division the Hicksites experienced was when a small group of upper class and reform-minded Progressive Friends of Longwood, Pennsylvania, emerged in the 1840s; they maintained a precarious position for about a century."

For the definitive description of the Longwood Society see http://undergroundrr.kennett.net/longwoodmeeting.html

Re: "Where were there Quakers?"

OK, then, Domesters. See if you can track down anything on the Society of Progressive Friends. I'm off to the Wake County library to look up another book on Mr. Thorne. We're closing in.

— RTB 

Re: J. Williams Thorne, poet

"Quakers have been very important in the history of North Carolina from colonial days, when one Friend served as governor [Archdale, 1695 - pj]. North Carolina Quakers faced great difficulties as the result of their relatively early decision to give up slaveholding, and many left the state for points west.

Despite the large migration of Quakers from North Carolina in the 19th century, the state today still has the second largest number of Friends in the country. Proportionately, North Carolina ranks fourth."

From http://www.quakerinfo.com/quak_us.shtml

"Where were there Quakers?"

They were and are all over Guilford County.

Wikipedia: "The county was formed in 1771 from parts of Rowan County and Orange County. It was named for Francis North, 1st Earl of Guildford, father of Frederick North, Lord North, British Prime Minister from 1770 to 1782. The Quaker church played a major role in the European settlement of the county, and numerous Quakers still live in the county." (See also: Guilford College.)

And in Fayetteville.

Re: J. Williams Thorne, poet

Also, where were there Quakers?

I knew about the Moravian connection from Pennsylvania and Winston-Salem, thanks to their tasty little cookies. But not aware of the Quakers down here.

Readers?

— RTB

Re: J. Williams Thorne, poet

I think we have well established that geography is not my strong point.

I changed the wording of the post. We'll see if we can dig up the pamphlet that he wrote to see just what the heck it said.

It does look like his expulsion was more political than religious, though.

Thanks for the help!

— RTB

Re: J. Williams Thorne, poet

Geography lesson. Thorne and many Quakers were from Pennsylvania. That's not New England.

Although Thorne may have been a carpetbagger of sorts, he was not isolated by his religion. Before and after Reconstruction, Quakers had a strong presence in North Carolina.

Also note that Thorne was reacting to a sermon in Chester County PA. You say that but to highlight that his transgression wasn't with an NC preacher.

Re: J. Williams Thorne, poet

This is really great stuff. Thanks for sharing, I love state legislative history.