Health Plan fix ready for Senate vote


A major fix for the State Health Plan is ready for a Senate vote.

The Senate Appropriations Committee today approved legislation that would cost the general fund $250 million for the current fiscal year ending June 30, and another $609 million for the next two fiscal years, Dan Kane reports.

The legislation also reduces benefits to the roughly 667,000 state employees, teachers and retirees on the health plan by raising co-payments and deductibles.

The committee rejected an amendment offered by state Sen. Doug Berger, a Franklin County Democrat, that would open up plan contracts to the public. He offered the amendment on behalf of the State Employees Association of North Carolina, a group that has questioned the need to cut benefits for employees.

State law keeps nearly all the details of contracts the plan has with vendors secret. Berger said the secrecy prevents the public from having information to make informed decisions about the plan's operations.

"I think now more than ever there needs to be an opening of this process so there is more information," Berger said.

More after the jump.

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So far, the only details made public regarding the contracts are the total cost and the amount of claims handled in the 2007-2008 fiscal year. That information showed that Blue Cross and Blue Shield of North Carolina was paid $97.5 million to administer 9.4 million claims. That comes out to more than $10 per claim.

The state's contract with Electronic Data Systems to administer Medicaid claims comes out to 57 cents per claim.

The information also showed that the plan's financial consultant, Aon Consulting, had underestimated Blue Cross' cost to the plan to administer a Preferred Provider Organization by more than 40 percent, or $20 million annually.

State Sen. Ellie Kinnaird, a Chapel Hill Democrat, asked if plan officials had looked at whether the Blue Cross contract was too costly. Jack Walker, the plan's executive administrator, said it was not.

He cited information provided by Aon that compared the plan's cost per member with 11 other states, including four in the southeast. North Carolina's cost was equal to or less than most states, none of which were identified.

Walker also said that comparing the Blue Cross and EDS contracts was like comparing apples to oranges. Blue Cross provides other services that EDS does not.

Blue Cross officials have yet to provide a breakdown of its costs, leaving lawmakers to move the legislation without knowing the full picture.

Senate Majority Leader Tony Rand, a Fayetteville Democrat and sponsor of the legislation, told his colleagues the bill needs to clear the legislature by the end of this month so that plan changes can take effect by July 1. A failure to do so could reduce savings by 15 percent, he said.

He contended Berger's amendment would do more harm than good, because it would expose discounts that Blue Cross had negotiated with hospitals, doctors and other medical providers.

"This takes a private company, Blue Cross, and makes all their provider contract information public, but it doesn't for their competitors," Rand said.

Berger asked Walker if that information was private in other states. Walker said he didn't know.

If the bill clears the Senate, it will still need House approval.

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It would be un-American to make the individual responsible for their own health. A person's heath should be the responsibility of the government. If we choose to smoke, drink or eat like a big, sweaty hog.....that's our right. Healthy people just don't know all the fun they are missing by not getting fat, smoking and waking up with a hangover.

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Blaming your medication for being overweight is irresponsible. Instead of popping open a bag of chips while watching Oprah tell you how many problems you have go for a walk or hit the gym. After working in the fitness industry for many years I've heard about every excuse (including antidepressants). Nobody wants to take personal responsibility.

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Obviously you know not of what you speak - go ask a psychiatrist.

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It is crazy to think that state can police smokers vs. non-smokers as well as use BMI to determine who is or is not overweight. That said, the burden on insurance costs because of tobacco use and obesity is enormous --and a good chunk of that burden falls on those who CHOOSE not to smoke or be overweight. Is it crazy to be upset at those who can't control themselves when the cost falls on those who can?

And by the way -- Bruce Lee was 5'7"" 130 lbs. BMI (dividing weight in pounds (lbs) by height in inches (in) squared and multiplying by a conversion factor of 703.) NORMAL.

Michael Jordan 6'6" 215 lbs BMI of 24.8 NORMAL

BMI generally works for most people. Exceptions are folks like Julius Peppers who probably weighs 250+ lbs but with less body fat than the skinny dude in the cube next to you....

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my ex has a much better plan for our family through a for profit hospital, how can they take care of their employees and turn a profit? better management. Also at the state mental hospitals lowly paid techs and some nurses( but strangely no administrators) have to HAVE TO go into small spaces with pts and inhale about 500 cigs per shift. These non smokers will test positivre for smoking as I did last year on a health ins physical even though Ive never smoked. This needs to be addressed to be fair to the employees and to protect their health

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Ineresting comments from those covered and those not covered. I have no idea what employees pay for helath insurance, but rest assure they are well below what the average person pays, if the average person has insurance at all.
It seems that BCBS is soaking the state for a bundle just in the processing charge of some $40,000,000 more approx. than EDS paid.
As for AON consulting and their 40% error of cost to administer the plan, I would think that those in charge would have had a penalty clause in the contract if the estimate was off by more than ?? percent. I know if I was off by 40% on the costs of a home purchase I would have been hauled into court and out of business and no longer licensed by the NCREC.
Government waste is everywhere and it is apparent that one of our founding fathers President Jefferson had the right idea when he felt that governments run amuck should be removed and we start over.

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How long will it take for the people of this state to see that Tony Rand is the problem? Read between the lines...I guarantee that he is getting his pockets lined in some way by BCBS. Anytime someone goes against opening up other options usually has something to lose. He is one of the most powerful "leaders" in the Legislature. It generally seems to me that whenever anyone tries something that Tony Rand is against, Tony Rand always wins. It reminds me of...Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely!!!

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Psa 103:2 Bless the LORD, O my soul, and forget not all his benefits:
Psa 103:3 Who forgiveth all thine iniquities; who healeth all thy diseases;

it is real sad how people do not trust God and do not believe God so that
they are left with no alternative but to take their diseases to the physician who can only practice medicine.

because of their unbelief they are unable to receive prefect health.

Mat 13:58 And he did not many mighty works there because of their
unbelief.

Mat 17:19 Then the disciples came to Jesus apart, and said, Why
could we not cast him out?
Mat 17:20 And Jesus said to them, Because of your unbelief. For
truly I say to you, If you have faith like a grain of mustard seed,
you shall say to this mountain, Move from here to there. And it shall
move. And nothing shall be impossible to you.

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THE FEDERAL HIPAA law has a discrimination clause in it that to me suggest this legislation that "forces" smokers and whatever they decide obese is... employees to have higher deductibles and premiums is being discriminatory. To be sure someone looked into that before proposing such and idea...however, I just don't think so from what I read on the Federal HIPAA guidelines. If this bill does pass...and can you say...class action law suit?!!?

The state pays right now 346.38 for an employee to have health insurance at no cost. But they are so desperate for money. If they would just charge each employee 10$ that is 6.6 million they would save...oh did I mention per MONTH. Not to mention the tax savings the employee's will have b/c this self funded plan is pretax. So 6.6 million times 12 is almost 80 MILLION per year. There is some cost savings there. Don't cut the benefits!

They are doing a disservice to the employees that already live paycheck to paycheck. Making a non smoking non obese woman pay 60$ to go to her annual OBGYN checkup is just silliness. Some women can't pay that especially if they have family coverage! Therefore, in the long run the SHP will pay more for stage 3 and 4 cervical or breast cancer treatment than if it was more affordable to go to the doctor and catch it early.

How are they going to police the non smokers vs smokers anyway? Isn't that going to cost more money? In a meeting last week with the exec. administrator he said NO...but I do not see how. Are they going to test all 667,000 members' hair sample? I don't think so. Are they going to send a nurse to all households in the state and take kids and spouse's BMI to determine if they are obese by their new standards? NO. Michael Jordan in his prime had a BMI that considered him "overweight" the same for Bruce Lee...who we all know had not one ounce of body fat on him!! Is that really what they are going to use...b/c the executive administrator also said that they would use BMI in a meeting last week. As one woman that works for department of corrections said..."Do you really want string beans guarding the inmates??" I think not.

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Are you kidding me hanely. People are overweight because they cannot cope without antidepressants, which then causes the weight gain??

Here's an idea -- COPE on your dime. My premiums go up because people choose to smoke and suffer the devestating health consequences. And unless you are forced to put that fork to your mouth being overweight is for the most part (there are exceptions) a CHOICE.

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BCBS is not an efficient processor of our health care claims. I have been a state employee for nearly 25 yrs. Now that I am forced into PPO the provider I have seen for nearly 3 years is now out of network. (I see this provider for work related health issues.) For weeks BCBS has passed me around from claims, to continuity of care, to prior authorization. Too many BCBS employees can’t answer my questions because I don’t fix into their phone scripts. There isn’t one person who handles your case. This must be inefficient and time consuming for BCBS. It certainly is for me. Nine BCBS conversations, 3 faxes, and 100 pgs of MR and no one can read the treatment codes. There must be an agency which is more competent and not founded on tax payers' money that can do a better job at a less expensive rate. (BCBS is not for profit because if it was, it would need to refund the State all it’s start up $$$. Maybe the State needs to ask for OUR money back.) Let’s have some transparency in this claims/bid process before the State Employees take another hit for the budget.

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This is ridiculous - the state needs to fix the problem without harming their employees. The economy is terrible, so there will be no cost of living or salary increases coming, and now they are going to increase rates & copays for their employees' health insurance?! They already charge a fortune for dental and optical insurance. This is not right! We work to help the State and our communities and we make less money compared to the same positions in the private sector - but we do this because we are dedicated to the State of NC. We are all suffering financially, but to add further financial stress on their own employees when they are to blame, is atrocious! Many of us can barely make it paycheck to paycheck as it is. What more are they going to take from us?!

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The state has made promises of post retirement health care it cannot afford! This perk should be ended, lest something akin to what Detroit is dealing with happens in the future.

The state should move to an HRA and HSA combination plan with a high deductible and a drug benefit. This is the new reality! Make state employees accountable as consumers.

Kudos to the folks that clarified that the plan is truly self funded, and BCBS simply processes claims.

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As far as erin12 goes - I have not heard such discriminating talk since I was told that I would not be accepted at a broadcasting school in the early 70's "because I would just get married and pregnant". It sounds more like you need to re-evaluate how you are hiring - not the state health plan.

It is true that the state's insurance has gone up considerably while we have gotten either no raise or 1 or 2 percent raises for decades now. We state employees get few enough benefits - to end up having to decline our insurance because it is priced beyond our salaries! That is just too much. And the fact that they want to penalize people who smoke or are overweight is ridiculous! What people do is none of their business - I am truely beginning to feel that the Nazi's have come to power here. Some people smoke - so deal with it - if you (the legislators) hadn't been so against tobacco this state would have much more revenue from tobacco sales. As far as being overweight, many people (and the number is growing) are overweight because they cannot cope without antidepressants - which cause tremendous weight gain - that no dieting can get rid of! People - Legislators! Crawl out of the hole you are living in and realize that the world is hurting here and threatening to cut off insurance - completely against our new President's wish - threatening our departments with cuts so that we can not even order the items that we need to do our business - is not the answer! WAKE UP!

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Before 1982 the State bought group coverage from BCBS for teachers and State employees and their dependents. Then, in its "finite" wisdom, the General Assembly decided it would cheaper to self-insure, fund the plan, and hire an outside firm to process claims. Sure. EDS got the first contract to do that and fouled up everything and everybody. When the four-year contract was re-bid in 1986, BCBS got it. I don't know how much premium the State paid when it bought the coverage, but I'll bet things would be better than they are now if the State had continued to buy it.

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erin12,thank you and very insightful. They do it because they can.

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I am a state employee. I would not put my family on this coverage due to cost. My husbands company offers more coverage for less money. He was recently laid off. We've also been looking into coverage through insurance companies to see if it it worth it to pay $489 per month. So far the rates are around the same with more coverage if I do not put them on the SHP. If the detuctibles and co-pays go up it will not be worth it. There goes another $489 per month from the SHP for a 30 yo and 3 small healthy children. I have great concerns when it appears the state is not shopping around for a contract and will not reveal any details about the contract they have.

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As a state employee, and one who has been involved in hiring of new employees for over 20 years, I can say with some authority that part of the problem with the state health plan is that it applies full force to each newly hired employee. I've known numerous cases where a person was hired with a preexisting condition, or one that they expected to develope shortly thereafter (i.e. pregnancy). Their motivation for seeking employment was twofold, first, employment in certain state agencies is fairly easy, and second, the insurance is effective immediately....the state has paid for many operations and childbirths of brand new employees, many of whom never returned to work.

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Other facts conveniently omitted. BCBSNC is not the insurer for the SHP, the State is. BCBSNC processes the claims and the state pays them. The state is also the one that sets the rates for your spouses and children. Part of the problem with the state being so under water is that there are no kids on the policies. Having children (which are relatively cheap to insure) dilutes the risk pool and spreads the cost over more individuals making it cheaper.

From personal experience, BCBSNC's contracts with many providers are actually better than Medicaid's negotiated rates, which saves the state millions. This also has been conveniently omitted.

Thanks,

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Fixed. Thanks.

— RTB 

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All who benefit from the state insurance plan and are unhappy about it, please remember those without jobs and insurance. Perhaps you should just count your blessings.

This is a very good time for some transparency and sunshine regarding the BCBS contract. Bev promised........

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Insurance premiums have increased for state employees (and coverage decreased) faster than their salaries have, meaning our paychecks decline in purchasing power every year. Plus, getting the SHP to actually pay for treatment appears to be subject to random chance; one day they'll cover tests and exams, but another trip "payment declined" and no one can explain what's the difference. Not even the doctors know when a treatment or test will be covered by the SHP!

Raising premiums and decreasing services even more will just increase the level of workers opting out of the program entirely, and if they don't get personal health insurance they'll either default on their payments or go to the ER to get treatment; either way the public will end up paying for it.

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AS A STATE EMPLOYEE, HEALTH INSURANCE COST HAS INCREASED EVERY TIME STATE EMPLOYEES RECEIVED A RAISE OVER THE LAST 5 YEARS. IN TRUTH, THE COST OF INSURANCE HAS JUMPED MORE THAT THE RAISE GIVEN BY THE LEGISLATION TO STATE EMPLOYEES. NOT ONLY AN INCREASE IN COST BUT AN INCREASE IN DRUG CO-PAYMENT AND AN INCREASE IN DOCTOR VISIT CO-PAY. AN INDIVIDUAL MAKING 31,000 A YEAR WITH ONLY A WIFE, NO CHILDREN PAYS $461 + TO COVER THEIR WIFE. THATS ALMOST 18% OF THEIR PAY TO PAY FOR INSURANCE. NOW I READ WHERE BY THE YEAR 2011 THAT PAYMENT COULD BE OVER $700 A MONTH, WITH LESS COVERAGE AND MORE CO-PAYMENTS. THIS HAS ALSO CAUSE ME TO GO TO OUTSIDE SOURCES FOR INSURANCE AND SO FAR HAVE GOTTEN EIGHT QUOTES, JUST TO COVER THE WIFE, CLOSE TO THE SAME COVERAGE BUT A LOT LESS THAN THE CURRENT COST TO BE COVERED BY BLUE CROSS. THESE INSURANCE CO. HAVE BEEN IN BUSINESS FROM 49 YEARS TO OVER 75 YEARS AND WELL ESTABLISHED INCLUDING DOCTORS IN NORTH CAROLINA THAT ACCEPT THIS INSURANCE.
MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THIS TIME THEY WANT AGAIN TO SINGLE OUT PEOPLE WHO SMOKE, PEOPLE THAT THEY CONCIDER OVERWEIGHT AND WANT TO GIVE INCENTIVIES TO PEOPLE 20 TO 30 YEARS OLD. (THAT SHOULD BE CONCIDERED AGE DISCRIMINATION AGAINST ANYONE OLDER). THIS TIME, THE INSURANCE THAT IS OFFERED TO STATE EMPLOYEES WILL BE CONSIDERED ALONG WITH THE QUOTES RECEIVED FROM OTHER INSURANCE COMPANIES. IF THEIRS IS BETTER, I WILL DROP STATE COVERAGE FOR MY WIFE, $461 LOST FROM ME PER MONTH, 1000 OTHER STATE EMPLOYEES THAT COULD DO THE SAME, ANOTHER $461,000 PER MONTH LOST.

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You sure the second paragraph shouldn't read "250 million"?

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I do not know if BCBS is more expensive than some of the other companies but we should not compare it to Medicare because most medicare claims are automatically filled out which takes less time and money to process.

I like the speed and efficiency of BCBS in paying claims as quickly as possible.

Does anyone else offer us a better plan or will be have to pay higher co-pays and suffer larger deductibles and how do we know if they will pay our claims as quickly as BCBS.

Thank you

brenbyrd