Hagan announces tobacco vote

Never said I had a wife - was clarifying the tax increase PINHEAD

Ah, so this lie was just clarifying stuff, you know about how the tax increase would impact your couple owned $200,000 a year business, and your multiple employees.

Gosh, guess I am just a PINHEAD.

you are wrong and you must resort to personal attacks

Giggle.

The only "typical liberal move" here is holding you accountable for your BS.

Reality has a liberal bias. You should consider getting a passport and visiting sometime.

-PINHEAD

Never said I had a wife - was clarifying the tax increase PINHEAD - no wife but continue to avoid the fact that you are wrong and you must resort to personal attacks...typical liberal move.

Again - avoiding the question again...

Yes you are.

Hate to keep you from your wife and $200,000 plus small business on this fine day.

Do come back when you have a minute and a point about Senator Burr's ineffectiveness and lack of independence.

As for SCHIP, which this thread is not about, the program was designed with the intent to cover uninsured children in families with incomes that are modest but too high to qualify for Medicaid. Many Republicans have supported it over the years. I guess they like middle class votes as well as the next guy.

The point remains, Burr championed a bill for NC he couldn't even get Republicans to vote for when it didn't even matter. Hagan crossed the aisle to do what's right for NC.

I've praised Burr plenty for this one. You should praise Hagan too.

Again - avoiding the question again...

Question - Why are we insuring these children if there parents can provide the health care for them?

Their.

Are you quite sure you are a married couple, and small business owner earning over $200,000 and employing multiple people?

Citizen...

Have you even had a date?

Question - Why are we insuring these children if there parents can provide the health care for them?

Question 2 - Do you believe that government control is better than personal choice?

In my opinion, if Hagan was so concerned with the tobacco industry she would not have voted for S-CHIP. She merely added her name in order to appease her donor base and save political face, hence we she did not really do more than add her name to it...

at least Burr has been consistent concerning this defense of the tobacco industry

Again SCHIP did nothing more that mandate insurance for children whose parents were already paying for it - simply put - government inciting control over personal choice...

But then again, since you smoke and you love government control and probably government health care - you might want to consider some lifestyle changes - rationed health care could prove to be a pain if smoking lead some unfortunate disease given you consider it a luxury item...

Response to what?

You hate SCHIP. That makes it remotely like the FDA proposal because...

You hate that too?

I agree with Senators Burr and Hagan that the FDA has no business regulating tobacco.

I also agree with Senator Hagan that the benefits of SCHIP outweigh the costs to the consumer, namely myself as a smoker.

You may disagree with SCHIP, as Burr does, but it still doesn't have squat to do with Hagan being an independent voice on the FDA bill.

If by your logic, she only voted with Burr, as the ONLY Democrat to do so "because of tobacco donors," then why did she back SCHIP?

You call independence "confusing." I call it refreshing.

Hagan's already proven herself way more independent a representative in months than Burr has in years of just doing what Bush and Rove told him to do. I hope she rubs off on him. For his sake and our own.

I realized the typo - but then again I would like to see your response...but then again I doubt you can conjure up one when the facts speak louder than you mindless rhetoric

Thus the relation is their you PINHEAD

There.

Gosh have you actually read the S-CHIP bill?

The purpose of the bill is "to provide dependable and stable funding for children's health insurance under titles XXI and XIX of the Social Security Act in order to enroll all six million uninsured children who are eligible, but not enrolled, for coverage today through such titles."

The children are not enrolled because their parents can afford to pay for the health care out of their own pocket...

All you are doing is continuing to perpetrate the "emotional" argument that children do not have healthcare...blah blah blah, when in reality the bill only aims to "enroll ALL six million uninsured children who are eligible, BUT NOT enrolled."

Again, because their parents can AFFORD to pay without relying on the government.

Thus the relation is their you PINHEAD

Richard is the one that tirelessly worked to get this bill passed.

Yet didn't.

Hagan voted for S-CHIP
Hagan voted for the tobacco amendment
Confused?

Again, no. And it doesn't matter how many more times you ask the question.

There's no contradiction.

Taxing a luxury item to insure millions more children has nothing to do with creating more FDA bureaucracy.

It is funny that Gosh's hatred of Richard is so skewed. Richard is the one that tirelessly worked to get this bill passed. Hagan merely jumped on board in order to save face with her donors - the tobacco companies.

Mr. Stephens brings up a great point. What funds the S-CHIP program?
Tobacco money.

So let me break it down for Gosh -

Hagan voted for S-CHIP
Hagan voted for the tobacco amendment
Confused?

When it came time to protect North Carolina jobs - Mrs. Hagan couldn't even swing a single vote from her own political party. Says a lot about her complete lack of clout with her own Democrat colleagues.

Is that what that says?

I thought the 9 Republicans voting against Burr says a lot more about our Senior Senator's clout than Kay Hagan's.

In a 67-30 vote, they could have all switched to help him out, and not effected the final outcome one bit.

I guess even a Republican likes to be on the winning side once in a while though.

When it came time to protect North Carolina jobs - Mrs. Hagan couldn't even swing a single vote from her own political party. Says a lot about her complete lack of clout with her own Democrat colleagues.

Secondly - what will Mrs. Hagan say when the federal cigarette tax revenues fail to pay for the S-CHIP expansion plan she supported and regular tax-payers are given the bill - along with all the other increased spending she has supported?