Burr readies for 2010 race

How am I a hypocrite or a whiner?

I pay my taxes, I voice my opinion to my legislators, I participate in community service, I volunteer with community organizations, I donate to charity and I am an educated young man.

Thus, if I feel that the government is over stepping its bounds I have a right to protest - similar to what happen in Chapel Hill last night, which was borderline terrorism and sheer rudeness.

I have been part of many protest, but would never destroy public property or participate if it took away from other peoples' ability to enjoy the speech or rally. I believe in peaceful protesting or maybe asking a tough questions or two. Not breaking glass and rudely holding a banner in front of a speakers' face.

Terrorism to me is defined as any one or event that strikes in terror in onlookers, participants or general society.

And I do find it highly offensive that we are being forced to drop the word terrorism to describe the "Islamic extremist," yet a law abiding citizen like me is now labeled as a terrorist.

"A footnote attached to the report by the Homeland Security Office of Intelligence and Analysis defines "rightwing extremism in the United States" as including not just racist or hate groups, but also groups that reject federal authority in favor of state or local authority."

I reject obtrusive federal government authority in favor of state or local authority and so did the founders - the 10th Amendment.

Thus according the DHS - I would be considered a terrorist, which is unbelievable.

No one I know has said anything that would label teh baggers as terrorists. The words I've heard are more in the category of hypocrites and whiners.

I honestly don't know what to think of it all, but something's really rotten with this whole turn of events.

Tax Day Protest - come join in the fun and be labeled a terrorist since we are protesting against government infringing on our rights.

I'm leaving the thread open. There's nothing against our code of conduct in here that I can see.

— RTB 

Not at all j1c2kp. It's about Richard Burr for those capable of discussing the topic, and I'm just now digesting the latest information from James.

Thanks for posting that. That's a really creepy story from Burr. I wonder what Treasury Secretary Paulson actually told our Senior Senator to freak him out so bad.

"I called my wife and I said, ‘Brooke, I am not coming home this weekend. I will call you on Monday. Tonight, I want you to go to the ATM machine, and I want you to draw out everything it will let you take. And I want you to tomorrow, and I want you to go Sunday.’ I was convinced on Friday night that if you put a plastic card in an ATM machine the last thing you were going to get was cash."

Ryan this thread has turned into a p____ contest between a couple of posters.

Perhaps the Keeper of the Dome can redirect this thread to something more productive, like this discussion about the moment Richard Burr confronted an extreme moral dilemma ... and failed.

Also available in blue, of course.

You could at least mention Burr once in a thread about him.

You didn't have a problem bringing up Pat McCrory before the last election. Now that it's over and you lost, why is Richard Burr so taboo for you in a thread about him?

Do you support Richard Burr or just hate people posting facts about him?

It's a simple question, at least for most people. Do you support Richard Burr?

Yes or no or do you have to ask somebody that gave you this online persona?

Some decisions aren't hard for real posters, like gender.

"I'm just a silly ole gal or guy watching it all and commenting as I see it."

Good luck with your gender assignment surgery when you finally make up your mind.

On topic. Let us see who changed subject. Roll that beautiful bean footage please...

Submitted by Gosh on April 14, 2009 - 11:20pm.
Your arguments make all of "we liberals" look like we can't hold two opposing thoughts in our heads.

And your "arguments" make you look like a sock puppet for Pat McCrory, and now Burr, and anything but a "liberal," which I am not.

I am a registered Democrat who is supporting Barak Obama for President and Pat McCrory for Governor.

Wasn't that Richard Hudson's failed internet strategy at the time?

Tons of Republicans that had given up on McCain trying to get NC voters to split their ticket.

You played your part and were busy pre-election, and just as vacuous and transparent as you are now.

YES, YES, YES Obama / McCrory 2008
Submitted by wwf165 on October 7, 2008 - 9:30pm.

YES, YES, YES Obama / McCrory 2008!!

...

Obama / McCrory 2008

I, for one, am proudly supporting Obama and McCrory this November!

Burr team hire you for 2010 did it? Better get to defending him and quit attacking me as a "liberal" then. Of the two of us, only you play one of those on this website. Badly, I might add.

Context. Focus. Nice taking quotes out of context. How about this old ditty....

Kay Hagan is a brillant Senator. I am delighted I voted for her.

That's a response to you bringing up Edwards out of the blue in a Richard Burr thread as a defense to your earlier implosion.

"You mean like John Edwards implodes?" - Self proclaimed "liberal" Democrat, DOME poster, McCrory supporter and now Burr advocate wwf165 on Richard Burr.

Stop trying to get this thread closed by being off topic. I'm perfectly willing to continue discussing Richard Burr if you're willing to start.

Your quote my friend, nothing to do with Burr. also, forgot to include the link to "in a thread..."

a disgraced hack like John Edwards

Your words...

You mean like John Edwards implodes? Ok, sock puppet.

Your defense of Burr...

Disgraced hack? Two time presidential canidate; former NC Senator. Hard to say he was a hack. Never did. Your words. Focus is not my problem.

Apparently it is. You brought up John Edwards much as you did Bev Perdue in a thread about RICHARD BURR, where you claim to be a liberal Democrat.

Focus. You have to convince people you're a "liberal" for Richard Burr, just as you tried for McCrory. Remember? Eye on the prize.

Now who is making corrections. You seem to add a sentance at your whim. Please keep your head open; a new thought might creep in.

Focus. Sock Puppet.

Disgraced hack? Two time presidential canidate; former NC Senator. Hard to say he was a hack. Never did. Your words. Focus is not my problem.

Funny wwf165. I read your first version of this post saying goodnight, before you "emploded" and decided to spell it wrong, then wake back up to correct it because you just can't sleep at night knowing Richard Burr is undefended.

Nice save "liberal." Er... Yeah.

Just like attacking a disgraced hack like John Edwards makes an unknown and unapproved hack like Burr seem plausible as our Senior Senator.

In your head.

Try to focus.

"he gave a public statement stating this change and went on to win the election."

He votes for NAFTA then "changes his mind" before the election and wins, then he goes on as a Senator to vote "Yes" on CAFTA. Is he going to "change his mind" about CAFTA now that it's time to start worrying about what those pesky voters think?

He tells the people of North Carolina in a televised debate, "We have to make sure that we don't allow exploration off our coast for wells.", then he goes on as a Senator to cosponsor a bill that allows exactly that.

And we should believe his promises now...why, exactly? Because he's a nice guy? Well, even nice guys lie sometimes, and nice guys don't always make the right choices. It is my opinion that Richard Burr's choices have had an overall negative effect on our state, and that he is beholden to too many interests outside of our state. And we deserve better.

You mean like John Edwards implodes? Ok, sock puppet.

So far as my status as a paid campaign worker/blogger? Nope. I only wish I were paid by a campaign.

That's now obvious. You publicly implode too easily.

Better luck with Burr than you had with McCrory.

HTML code? Really? Really? What's next a showdown in an Unreal tournment? I am hesitant to even ask if you have your own own island in second life?
I am flatered that you have kept up with my postings and can, on very short notice, repeat them.

Talk about deflection, you have more deflections that Cam Ward! By the way, who is Richard Hudson? If you can do quotes, please include relevant links.

You need to get out more. Your weekly meeting of Dungeons and Dragons doesn't count. So far as my status as a paid campaign worker/blogger? Nope. I only wish I were paid by a campaign. That might make up for the time I have to spend fending off attack blogs instead of discussing the issues at hand.

Your ability to make the discussion of issues divisive, no greater than black or white, right or wrong, would make even Lee Atwater proud. Vacuous, transparent? Hardly. I'm just a silly ole gal or guy watching it all and commenting as I see it. But we'd all still have been better off with Obama and McCrory in November.

Hope the 20 sided die roles your way the next time you and your "girl friend from Canada" get together to D&D.

Oh my, even a silly old person like me can look "official" with block texts....

a sock puppet.

Your arguments make all of "we liberals" look like we can't hold two opposing thoughts in our heads.

And your "arguments" make you look like a sock puppet for Pat McCrory, and now Burr, and anything but a "liberal," which I am not.

I am a registered Democrat who is supporting Barak Obama for President and Pat McCrory for Governor.

Wasn't that Richard Hudson's failed internet strategy at the time?

Tons of Republicans that had given up on McCain trying to get NC voters to split their ticket.

You played your part and were busy pre-election, and just as vacuous and transparent as you are now.

YES, YES, YES Obama / McCrory 2008
Submitted by wwf165 on October 7, 2008 - 9:30pm.

YES, YES, YES Obama / McCrory 2008!!

...

Obama / McCrory 2008

I, for one, am proudly supporting Obama and McCrory this November!

Burr team hire you for 2010 did it? Better get to defending him and quit attacking me as a "liberal" then. Of the two of us, only you play one of those on this website. Badly, I might add.

Kay Hagan is a brilliant senator. I am delighted I voted for her. I think we will find that she votes what she believes, but in the end will defend most of those votes (to get re-elected) by defering to our commander-in-chief. I am not a guy, or gal, who votes for any incumbent without watching carefully what his or her record is. Bev's record isn't shaping up to be a strong one for we democrats to defend. That is not divisive on my part, those are her choices and they are damaging.

John Adams and Thomas Jefferson didn't always agree; but their collective efforts, putting aside and reaching beyond their personal differences, helped to make this country great. Roy Cooper is a brilliant politician who has garnered great ire from our party at certain times from crossing the aisle.

I would encourage you to learn to cross aisles and try to listen to the other side. Many of the criticisms you make of Senator Burr are the same false promises and mistakes made daily by our party faithful you appear to love so dear. Your arguments make all of "we liberals" look like we can't hold two opposing thoughts in our heads. I can. I wish you could.

Truth be told there are many sketch-y elected officials in all political parties.

I look forward to your posts in that thread. This one, however, is about Richard Burr. He is up for re-election after all.

It still amazes me that Richard Burr apologists thinks he gets one vote by you guys attacking Bev Perdue or Kay Hagan all the time, two people that just won and aren't on the ballot in 2010. That's not a counter argument. It's a deflection, and a poor one at that.

It merely amplifies just how weak an incumbent Burr really is that you guys have to constantly "defend" him by essentially saying "But other politicians not up for re-election are just as bad as Burr."

It's tellingly sad.

What is so wrong with being carried on the coat-tails of the president, or president-elect, of the time? NC's very own governor enjoyed that ride in November. The jury is still out on whether Bev is merely a SKETCH or just a stretch. Nonetheless she has changed her mind on a number of positions since being elected to her position.

It seems like you are willing to call a politician changing his or her mind 'personal growth' if the candidate is one you support, but 'waffling' if that candidate is one you do not. The problems facing ALL of our elected officials are much more complex than it appears you will ever understand. Truth be told there are many sketch-y elected officials in all political parties. Gosh and golly gee, don't we all know that?

I do not see how you can call him invisible when he clearly stated his position. I understand he did change his mind, but he gave a public statement stating this change and went on to win the election.

Barely. And that was before Burr's midnight reversal on CAFTA while in office. He's yet to face the voters on that, and this time Burr has to run without help. He's the top of the ticket.

You have to remember that Burr was carried across the finish line on the coattails of a President still popular in NC at that time, kind of like the Republican Tsunami of 1994 that first carried him into the House.

Bush won NC by 12 points in 2004. Burr won by 5. That's an awful lot of Bush voters expressing no confidence in Republican Richard Burr, and why prior to his latest metamorphosis into someone that says reasonable things like this:

In the United States Senate, we cannot do great things without reaching across the aisle and working together.

He used to say wingnutty things like this:

"I'm not embarrassed to vote with the president 96 percent of the time. He's right that much of the time."

Burr was and is all over the place. He's a weak politician. And a weaker incumbent. Face it, being the most powerful ranking Republican in North Carolina now is like being the prettiest girl in a leper colony.

Burr's own party overwhelemingly rejected him from Republican leadership. Not even Republicans reward spineless waffling, even if you are just carrying water for the Party.

It's frankly disingenuous, and getting quite tiresome, that you seem unwilling to face facts and realize what everyone else knows - Richard Burr is an empty "sketch" of a Senator. His party, conservative pollsters, GOP consultants, and Burr himself seem to understand he's in trouble and needs to step up his game or face a defeat as embarrassing as Liddy's.

What's your problem with reality exactly?

So if I am reading your post correctly - Burr did state the change of his opinion on NAFTA.

"On Friday, however, Burr said he, too, has reversed his position on NAFTA, apparently his first public statement saying he had changed positions.

"My assessment was wrong," he said. "It is a reversal from where I was in 1994 from the standpoint of a cheerleader for it." [Charlotte Observer, 5/1/2004]"

I do not see how you can call him invisible when he clearly stated his position. I understand he did change his mind, but he gave a public statement stating this change and went on to win the election.

North Carolinians should still be asking Hagan the question about the repayment of funds to the Highway Trust of North Carolina, since it was on her dime it was raided for other purposes. Again, more double standards from the left.

Gosh - Do you support Mayor Meeker?

Not my Mayor. Try to focus.

Name one campaign promise that Burr has broken?

That's easy. He's infamous for waffling on two of the most despised trade agreements in North Carolina history, CAFTA and NAFTA. The real problem has always been and remains trying to determine what Burr is actually promising on what day and to whom.

Raleigh News and Observer:

"[Burr] opposes the Central American Free Trade Agreement, or CAFTA. Earlier this month, Burr had been quoted as supporting the trade agreement." [12/19/2003]

Wilson Daily News:

"[Burr] said right now he can't support the bill as is." [6/1/2005]

FYI: Burr caved to George Bush and voted for it anyway, costing North Carolina jobs.

Same old Richard Burr. Burr's penchant for waffling, at least publicly, began the day he filed. He did so quite painfully on NAFTA when he first started campaigning.

Winston-Salem Journal:

Burr Files To Run; Changes Mind On NAFTA

"U.S. Rep. Richard Burr filed yesterday to run for a new office, the U.S. Senate, saying that he has changed his mind about NAFTA, a trade agreement he once supported and has criticized Democrat Erskine Bowles for supporting."

"I said in 1994 had I been there I would have voted for it," said Burr, R-5th, who filed to run for the Senate seat being vacated by Democratic Sen. John Edwards."

"...Burr has hammered Bowles for lobbying for NAFTA..." [Winston-Salem Journal, 5/1/2004]

Charlotte Observer:

"Burr heavily criticizes Bowles for changing his stance on NAFTA and other trade agreements, from supporting them as a White House aide to opposing future trade treaties as a candidate.

On Friday, however, Burr said he, too, has reversed his position on NAFTA, apparently his first public statement saying he had changed positions.

"My assessment was wrong," he said. "It is a reversal from where I was in 1994 from the standpoint of a cheerleader for it." [Charlotte Observer, 5/1/2004]

And as you well know, Burr's waffling and spineless adherence to whichever way the wind blows continues today.

One day he's against the nomination of Iraq Veteran Tammy Duckworth.

But that's okay. Just apply a little pressure and Burr immediately changes his mind.

This is why people don't know Burr or what he stands for. This is why after 5 years in office, GOP consultant Carter Wrenn called him still a "sketch" that needs to be filled in.

Our Senior Senator is an empty suit that will say anything to anybody, and capitulate like a jellyfish at the slightest breeze.

Thanks for asking and good luck with that.

Could it be SCHarrison that the situation changed and something had to be done about the problem. Ah that's right, Republicans can't ever change their minds and be honorable only Democrats can.

Now Citizen Opinionated you know that Gosh can't answer this question which is why he gets so nasty.

Alright, I'll bite. Here's a quote about offshore drilling from his 2004 debate against Erskine Bowles:

BURR: "We have to make sure that we don't allow exploration off our coast for wells."

I agree Richard. If you hadn't changed your position on this one, I might not be so eager to get rid of you:

I'm pleased that the President has lifted the executive order banning deep-sea exploration for energy resources. Four dollar a gallon gasoline has affected every family in North Carolina, and it is time for the Democrat Leadership in Congress to stop blocking action and pass long-term energy legislation like The Gas Price Reduction Act, which I have cosponsored. This legislation would lift the Congressional moratorium on Outer Continental Shelf exploration by giving states the ability to opt in on energy exploration off their coasts.

But frankly, he didn't really flip-flop. He's never really been against drilling, but back in 2004, admitting that would have cost him votes. So he lied to us.

Speaking of invisibility - http://www.newsobserver.com/politics/story/1484698.html

Gosh - Do you support Mayor Meeker?

Name one campaign promise that Burr has broken?

By the way, since you are the resident expert on Burr, what campaign promises has he broken?

As experts on Burr go, I'm actually just very representative of the public at large - meaning I don't know a thing about the guy other than he likes to show his off in public.

But our Senior Senator still has 20 months to fill in the "sketch" for us, doesn't he?

I am not working against Hagan - I am holding her accountable.

By the way, since you are the resident expert on Burr, what campaign promises has he broken?

Two years is a long time - Burr will be just fine.

Yup. Plenty of time to fill in that 'sketch' huh?

You may now return your attention to constantly running against Senator Hagan who isn't up for re-election until 2014. I'm sure you're right and Burr will be just fine without you.

You are very immature and very dishonest but you are making a difference. Two years is a long time - Burr will be just fine.

PS - professors are people with there opinions too - NAACP is pissed Hagan - which do you think reaches more people - this only professor or the NAACP?

I was publishing the real website - unlike the old one published by you.

Just trying to provide accuracy to the real website to contact Burr.

Well, you didn't. You reprinted my link to his official government website, laughed at it, then reposted the same. If there's someplace else for North Carolinians to find Senator InvisiBurr please HELP! That would actually be a service.

http://www.cqpolitics.com/wmspage.cfm?docid=news-000003088207

In case you missed this article!

I look forward to your response.

Burr sees Black People. I got it. Like clockwork, every election year. Even though Black people mirror North Carolina and don't see Senator InvisiBurr at all, but it's precious you're trying to pretend!

The article says it in spades:

Low Intensity?

Jeffrey M. Elliot, chairman of the political science department at North Carolina Central University, said Burr’s outreach to African-Americans is so low-profile — and so much less important than his stance against the interests of black voters on major social and economic issues — that it isn’t likely to win him many votes.

“Given a clear choice, it’s not going to make much of a difference if his opponent has a strong commitment to social justice and political change,” Elliot said.

Did you have a point or are just shocked I read beyond the headline like you obviously didn't before asking the dumbest question of your short post-UNC life with two roommates who totally aren't gay Republicans either?

Seriously - that link is laughable

http://burr.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Contact.ContactForm

I know. It's how you're supposed to contact your Senior Senator.

(Hey buddy, there's a chance Burr wants you to stop helping now. HA!)

I was publishing the real website - unlike the old one published by you.

Just trying to provide accuracy to the real website to contact Burr.

http://www.cqpolitics.com/wmspage.cfm?docid=news-000003088207

In case you missed this article!

I look forward to your response.

Seriously - that link is laughable
http://burr.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Contact.ContactForm

A simple mistake - similar to the two firing of employees for no reason

Let's talk about the issues!

Sounds good to me CitizenOpionated! Voters have been asking Senator InvisiBurr to do that for 5 years.

Actually myself and my two roommates, one conservative and one liberal, did type the message purposefully, but thanks for still avoiding the questions.

Hey, I think you living with two guys is super. Maybe between the three of you, you can find a question mark next time to actually ask one.

If you're talking about me making a difference though? I apparently kept you three from breaking Sharia Law tonight, so I'm happy.

May you all find women in this life and 72 virgins in the next.

Let's talk about the issues!

What is your position on the Employee Free Choice Act of 2009?

What is your position on "Cap and Trade" legislation?

Actually myself and my two roommates, one conservative and one liberal, did type the message purposefully, but thanks for still avoiding the questions.

Do you really think you are making a difference?

Do you think you are typing like that then lying about it?

It was purposefully typed in such a manner...

Uh, huh! And Burr has no name recognition and 30 percent approval rating on purpose! It's a Senior Senator's dream.

Darn Gosh, not very witty are we! It was purposefully typed in such a manner, but thanks for playing.

Do you really think you are making a difference?

Gosh - spare me - a mere typo and a mistake - at least I am man enough to admit to them.

Make a schedule for Confession my Son.

As far as lpetrou's inquiry as to why liberals avoid answering questions.

I'm sorry, that's not only not a sentence, but smart people have no idea how to respond. WHAT ARE YOU HOME SCHOOLERS TALKING ABOUT AND WHO GAVE YOU INTERNET?

It is hard to basis their agenda in facts as they simply do not amount -

What? Basis? Huh?

but they are not willing to at least try to understand the other (conservative) perceptive.

Am I high or just in Conservative hell? WHAT? The Conservative percePtive?

Is that a 900 Fox News prophecy line for complete idiots that don't know where to put their money?

Unlike me, whom was educated at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, (in all its liberal glory) I do read, understand, but choose not to endorse or prescribe the other side (liberal)

Let me stop you there. I'm embarrassed for you.

Make SENSE before you complain about not getting intelligent responses to your point. There's a really good chance (if you ever made a point), you might be heard.

Gosh - spare me - a mere typo and a mistake - at least I am man enough to admit to them.

As far as lpetrou's inquiry as to why liberals avoid answering questions. It is hard to basis their agenda in facts as they simply do not amount - but they are not willing to at least try to understand the other (conservative) perceptive. Unlike me, whom was educated at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, (in all its liberal glory) I do read, understand, but choose not to endorse or prescribe the other side (liberal)

It is unfortunate that people like Gosh believe that he is truly making a difference in the world, when his party is nothing more than an elitist club.

It has always seemed ironic to me that it is the GOP that is labeled, when it is both parties.

- Check out - Colorado Democracy Alliance and Democracy Alliance - might serve as a good case study to the GOP and as a harsh reality that all of Gosh's harsh words and personal attacks amount to nothing.