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Bill would compensate sterilization victims

Larry WombleA bill filed today would give victims of the state's sterilization program $20,000 each.

The legislation, filed by four House Democrats, would make one-time cash payments to the estimated 2,000 to 2,800 North Carolinians sterilized by a state eugenics program that ran from 1929 through the 1970s.

The total cost could be between $40 and $56 million.

Rep. Larry Womble, a Winston-Salem Democrat and one of the primary sponsors, said that he expects a lot of resistance from legislators worried about the state's potential $2 billion shortfall. But he said compensation is the right thing to do.

"The state committed a wrong against innocent people," he said. "This was worse than Nazi Germany."

A working committee came up with the figure on its own, since it could not find any similar compensation efforts to model. Womble said that he considers it far too low, but it was the best they could do.

"There is no amount of money that can restore their dignity or replace what the state took away from them," he said. "Their bloodline has been cut. They cannot continue their family name because the state did this horrific thing to the insides of their bodies." 


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Re: Bill would compensate sterilization victims

Now, here I spent all this time yesterday patiently asking you guys to keep the comment section civil, and someone goes and posts this shortly before midnight. This is vile and destructive to your own side in this debate. I am leaving it up as an example of what I was talking about earlier.

And comments are closed on this post.

— RTB

Re: Bill would enrage Neo-Nazi's

While I do think this statement perfectly characterizes the, shall we say, Conservative opinion on this matter to a tee...

Sterilize Womble.

I'd just like to add that getting the collective common Conservative to admit there even was a Jewish Holocaust is a victory unto itself.

Thank you all for your participation in this focus group on crazy people and what you actually think while going through your daily routine of destroying humanity. There will be a check for $25 at the door as well as a yummy Subway sandwich and all the M&M's you can eat.

Bye now.

Re: Bill would compensate sterilization victims

Sterilize Womble.

Re: Bill would compensate sterilization victims

You are absolutely right. But the Polipigs can't say that because it won't get them any votes, even though they know it's the truth too.

Re: Bill would compensate sterilization victims

Mr. Womble has in his statement disregarded the lives of the 6 million Jews who were murdered from 1933 to 1945 by Nazi Germany and their chohorts. To say that 2000 people sterilized is worse than the Nazi German atrocities is just asinine.
He wasn't comparing, he wasn't equating, he was totally negating historical fact just to try to make the eugenics program seem worse than the horrible deaths and torture inflicted upon the Jewish population. That is not acceptable, it is deplorable! Mr. Womble should offer a very public apology to the Jewish people.
Speaker Hackney, as the "boss" of the NC House, I challenge you to hold this man accountable for his insensitive, horrible, hurtful and quite frankly idiotic statement. This coming from Womble, a Democrat, at a time when we are supposed to be embracing each other not spitting on another group of human beings is disturbing.

Re: Bill would compensate sterilization victims

Thank you lrgibson. Glad to know I'm not the only one offended by Womble's insensitivity.

Re: Bill would compensate sterilization victims

To compare this to Nazi Germany and the Holocaust is beyond hyperbole. I am very sorry that Mr. Womble is obviously very poorly educated about the actualities of the imprisonment, torture, and death of millions of innocent men, women, children, and babies. I am very offended by his insensitivity and ethnocentrism. I have friends who have severely mentally challenged children for whom they sought sterilization, and I think in that context it is a most thoughtful, humane and loving thing to do. Extremely mentally challenged young women often are incapable of associating the consequences of sexual behavior with pregnancy and childbirth, and would be extremely terrified to be put into a position to deal with this. Needless to say, they would be totally incapable of parenting this offspring. Why put them through it?

Re: Bill would compensate sterilization victims

HEy Radioman, you're comfortable with the govt pigs deciding who is and isn't mentally sound??? The same people that think the answer to our current national bankruptcy is more spending? I don't know a lot about this issue, but my understanding is that if you were black, you were a heckuva of more likely to be judged as mentally challenged. In this way, I agree with the fundamentals on this... it was horrible, and restitution is in order.

Re: Bill would compensate sterilization victims

If I read the background on the case correctly, MOST of the people were VERY
retarded and should not have had children in the FIRST PLACE. And so far as the family name goes, MOST didn't know WHO their fathers were anyway!

That's a nice Broad Brush, Jughead

"the only people who care are those who want to oppose compensation but don't want to look like jerks. "

At first, I said "The guy's an idiot". HE may not be an idiot, but he's certainly said something very, very stupid. And I'd oppose his bill if it blocked the ACTUAL victims from getting a FAIR compensation for the horrible, over-reaching, orwellian acts of the govt. $20K is a pittance, if it gets the govt off the hook entirely, forever, the bill is as stupid as the guys 'Nazi' exaggeration.

Re: Bill would compensate sterilization victims

"While I rarely comment on these types of blog posts, the sheer carelessness of Rep. Womble's comments have led me to call for his immediate resignaion."

Your anonymous, hastily typed internet post has shaken the halls of power. Get over yourself. Perhaps Womble thinks it's "worse" because it happened in his community. I agree that it's a dumb comment, but the only people who care are those who want to oppose compensation but don't want to look like jerks. So you find something PC to complain about in hopes that it will somehow undermine his efforts.

Re: Bill would compensate sterilization victims

OK, so I don't see anything in the bill about accepting this payment barring people from seeking civil remedies as well. I still don't quite understand tho... if they'd done this to me, I'd be in court, seeking real damages. Why aren't people? Is it due to some immunity clause or something? Have people tried?

Womble Must Resign

While I rarely comment on these types of blog posts, the sheer carelessness of Rep. Womble's comments have led me to call for his immediate resignaion.

His egregious commentary has no place in the North Carolina General Assembly. And for him to make reference to Nazi Germany is wildly innappopriate.

Re: Bill would compensate sterilization victims

I think I've been pretty clear. Just stick to the subject and avoid attacking the other side in offensive ways.

Thanks!

— RTB 

Re: Bill would compensate sterilization victims

Okay you lost me, accusations?

I give up Ryan.

Re: Bill would compensate sterilization victims

The comment didn't even make sense. It's one thing to say that Rep. Womble is overstating his case, but it does not make sense to leap from there to making accusations against him.

I understand you have strong feelings. So does the other side. Try to respect that.

— RTB 

Re: Bill would compensate sterilization victims

Ryan I still think you missed the point. That so-called imagery was real, it happened, it was horrible.

I am offended that Mr. Womble views sterilization as worse than Nazi Germany and the horrors of that time. I just can not even wrap my brain around that stupid statement of his.

Sorry Ryan.

Re: Bill would compensate sterilization victims

http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/

Sure hope Mr. Womble cares enough to read some of this.

Re: Bill would compensate sterilization victims

The graphic imagery of the comment was unnecessary. I think you guys undercut your own argument when you say someone was offensive by being offensive yourselves.

— RTB 

Re: Bill would compensate sterilization victims

http://history1900s.about.com/library/holocaust/blpictures.htm

I hope Mr. Womble will click on this and think about issuing a retraction to his ridiculous statement. Yes sterilization was very wrong but worse than Nazi Germany?

Re: Bill would compensate sterilization victims

Worse than Nazi Germany??? Give me a break.

Re: Bill would compensate sterilization victims

Ryan I am surprised you deleted that comment for offensiveness. That was part of our history lessons in school. Granted I am probably a lot older than you but......... I was offended by Womble's comment.

Re: Bill would compensate sterilization victims

Check back on the legislative Web site in an hour or so. The text of the bill takes a little longer to go online.

— RTB 

Re: Bill would compensate sterilization victims

Dear Ryanteaguebeckwith,

I tried unsuccessfully to retrieve the text of the bill. If this (like many similar efforts) bars those who suffered at the hands of the GOVT at the time from seeking true restitution, this is a seriously flawed bill. Is there a way you can check this out?

Re: Bill would compensate sterilization victims

Comment deleted for offensiveness. Please find a more civil way to discuss your opposition to this issue.

— RTB 

Re: Bill would compensate sterilization victims

Evidently this man is ignorant of historical events. Those sterilized here would have been executed by Nazi Germany. He represents the Democrat Party well.

Re: Bill would compensate sterilization victims

Well! At least he's above ridiculous hyperbole!

"This was worse than Nazi Germany." -- Ummmmmm... Did this jerk ever consider that there might be a way to say it was 'really horrible', without discounting the fact there were concentration camps, and National Socialist party of germany killed MILLIONS of innocent people? BTW, would this bar the victims of this (another horrible big-govt idea) from seeking individual compensation/restitution for their loss at the hands of the Govt-Pigs of the day?

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