Re: Obama announces 50 Edwards supporters

UNChockeygirl — Thu, 24 Apr 2008 12:33:45 -0400

sorry, but neither can obtain enough delegates to lock up the nomination without the superdelegates.

If the supers want to look at popular vote, they should vote with the majority, which would include Michigan and Florida, making Hillary the winner.

And maybe they should look at whether they can win the election with Obama before the give him the nomination. It is clear from PA that he won't carry the moderate democrats, those Reagan democrats who "cling to" their religion and their guns, just like in NC. Why do you think the republican party here is running those ads that link the candidates that endorse Obama with Rev. Wright? It isn't racism, I don't think. Moderate democrats would vote for Colin Powell if he was running. They wouldn't vote for Kennedy or Kerry (obviously), so it has more to do with Obama's extreme liberal position than the color of his skin.

Re: Obama announces 50 Edwards supporters

dahedgehog — Thu, 24 Apr 2008 11:01:07 -0400

UNChockeygirl, it's unfortunate that the Dem's don't choose their presidential candidate under alternative rules that would ensure that your preferred candidate is the winner. However, both candidates agreed to go by agreed-upon rules. Under the rules that both candidates agreed to, Obama has earned an insurmountable lead. I realize that this is displeasing to you, but that's life. Sorry.

Also, please read this: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/20306341/the_queen_of_pork

Re: Obama announces 50 Edwards supporters

UNChockeygirl — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 19:51:01 -0400

Have you seen this argument before? Makes some sense to me, especially in an electoral college election. Wonder why Dean is still parsing up the delegates and letting them mish mash around? Is he afraid of pissing off the blacks?

If the democrats had a winner take all system like the Republicans do, Hillary would be ahead of Obama by 321 delegates. Now, that total includes superdelegates. However, even if we take superdelegates out of the equation, Hillary is ahead of Obama by 320 delegates. If superdelegates pledge to who won their state, Hillary would be ahead of Obama in supers by exactly 1 point.

Total delegates including Supers:

Hillary - 1937
Obama - 1616

Total delegates not including Supers:

Hillary - 1588
Obama - 1268

These totals do not include Michigan or Florida.

If we include Michigan and Florida:

Hillary - 2304
Obama - 1616

Re: Obama announces 50 Edwards supporters

jjsmith2 — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 16:39:06 -0400

post the link and not the entire frickin' thing.

Re: Obama announces 50 Edwards supporters

NCstreambird — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 16:28:51 -0400

If I were these folks who supported John Edwards before, it would be best for them to read this Michael Reisig newspaper article of February 20, 2008 before they start jumping around with Barack. Here's the article that certainly should be read by ALL North Carolinians:

President Obama
By Michael Reisig

Well, having observed the progress of the Democrat and Republican Primaries I would have to s ay at this point, America is probably close to electing Barak Hussein Obama as its next president. I understand the need for change - but for all my observation of Obama I have yet to hear any decisive, detailed plans - it all seems to be continual rhetoric on the concept of change.

It's all rather a puzzlement to me, and more than anything I think this phenomena is representative of the new Survivor/Oprah Winfrey/American Idol consciousness (where the bizarre is applauded as reality and image is more important than substance), and it is undoubtedly brought about by the overwhelming dissatisfaction Americans have for a government that has cheated, lied and stolen from them for at least the last two generations.

But for minorities, and in particular blacks, this election represents a moment of long-awaited validation. There is no question that the
election of an African-American president will empower the blacks of this country. Don't misunderstand me - this is not a racist statement, this is just a fact, and in many respects this could be a good thing. But there is no denying the sense of audacious rebellion that constantly simmers in much of the black community, particularly with the youth of the large metropolitan areas. I have some concern that the election of a black president will take us back to a consciousness that promotes the power of race over intelligence, reason, and the value of law, and that this may divide black and whites more than uniting them. I hope that I'm wrong.

Obama speaks a lot about a uniting of black and white America, but the church he has attended for years would contradict that. Although you won't hear much of this on national television, one has but to go to Obama's church of choice, Trinity United Church of Christ (go to the website to check for yourself) to find, and I quote, "An unabashedly black congregation with a non-negotiable commitment to Africa. "An African people, 'true to our native land, the mother continent, the cradle of civilization."

Nowhere in the website is America even mentioned. Can you imagine if one of the other white candidates for president were a member of a church that declared itself "unashamedly white?" What would the media have done to them already?

I was also startled by a number of the points in Trinity United Church's 10-Point Vision:

*A congregation with a Non-negotiable Commitment to Africa.
*A congregation committed to Cultural Education (Africa).
*A congregation committed to the Historical Education of African People in Diaspora.
*A congregation committed to Liberation.
*A congregation committed to Restoration. (Could this mean restitution?)

In addition, Trinity's senior pastor Dr. Jeremiah A. Wright, Jr., is considered by many to be a black racist, who, without question, preaches radical Afro-centric theology.

It appears, by affiliation, that we have a man who wants to be president of America while much of his loyalty is invested in black Africa.

But there is also a deeper, perhaps darker consequence in terms of America and its multi-national population when we consider Mr. Obama as our new leader.

Investigations have shown that Obama's father and stepfather were devout Islamics. Both faithfully practiced their religion. His stepfather, who had a much greater impact on Obama's upbringing, was a radical Wahabbi Muslim. Obama's mother married Lolo Soetoro, a Wahabbi extremist who lived in Indonesia. When Obama's mother moved to Indonesia - before she married her second Muslim husband - she enrolled her son in Francis Assisis Catholic School. He was enrolled as a Muslim because he was a Muslim.

Obama's campaign website has been hailed as a testament to the candidate's transformative politics. But at least part of the senator's
online outreach, "Muslim Americans for Obama '08" proposes installing Muslim prayer area s in public places and giving Muslims time off for prayer, and has denounced Obama's colleagues in the U.S. Senate who happen to be Jewish.

Further troubling are the issues and solutions on this site:
1. A Law against harassment of Muslim women wearing Hijab at the Airport, DMV and other public arenas.
2. Institute a Law to allow Muslim Employees to take an hour off from work for Friday Jummah Prayer.
3. Make the 2 Eid's (Muslim festivals), recognized National Holidays on Calendars with days off from work.
4. Optional Halal meals in federal building, public schools and colleges.
5. Provide prayer areas suitable for Salah and Jummah, in public and private facilities. (i.e. Malls, Airports, Universities and government
buildings.)
6. Organize a Muslim American group to assist in recommendations for US foreign policy affecting majority Muslim Countries.

I have to wonder how many encampments of Islamic extremists hidden in the hills of Afghanistan and quiet rooms of Baghdad and Tehran listen to the news of America's primary elections with unadulterated glee, considering first, that we may have a president who has virtually no experience in managing a government, or attending to military/ international affairs, and secondly; the chance (as remote as it is) of a quasi-Muslim president of the United States.

Think of the possibilities. I have sent this to almost everyone I know. If you agree with this, I hope you will do the same, or at least make sure you vote. It really scares me to think of Obama being president. It's time we as Christians stand up and let our voices be heard. Let's stop being the silent majority!

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