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Re: Bill would get citizen input on pay

FFC1304 — Sun, 08 Mar 2009 21:23:57 -0400

oh, he's a Jim Black variety fer sure...

Re: Kinnaird: Raise pay automatically

ryanteaguebeckwith — Fri, 06 Mar 2009 11:28:14 -0500

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Re: Kinnaird: Raise pay automatically

atticus2008 — Fri, 06 Mar 2009 00:10:31 -0500

It appears to be true that most NC legislators are well off resulting in a very small pool of candidates from which to choose. IMO, we definitely need to pay legislators more, change our legislature to full-time status. Senator Kinnairds's proposal is somewhat reasonable; however, her timing is lousy and her rhetoric may not be totally transparent regarding what some legislators are paid. It has always amazed me that overseeing the biggest business in a state of nine million citizens is conducted as a part-time job. We always hear about "the balance of power". If the Executive Branch and Judicial Branch are full-time shouldn't the Legislative Branch be full-time? Look at the link I've inserted about how NC ranks in the country.
http://www.stateline.org/live/details/story?contentId=179978

Re: Kinnaird: Raise pay automatically

ryanteaguebeckwith — Thu, 05 Mar 2009 23:44:00 -0500

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Re: N.C. legislators have smaller salaries

rangerking1993 — Thu, 05 Mar 2009 23:01:55 -0500

I don't understand how we expect everyone to get involved in politics (or at least have a shot) when the pay for legislators is too low. Either someone has a working spouse who makes enough money or the individual is wealthy to begin with. If someone does not make enough or holding another job to cover costs is not possible (such as teaching) is not democratic as people are excluded from the process. Even the U.S. Virgin Islands pay their legislators more.

Re: Kinnaird: Raise pay automatically

rangerking1993 — Thu, 05 Mar 2009 23:00:45 -0500

Re: Kinnaird: Raise pay automatically

bigdogops — Thu, 05 Mar 2009 22:09:49 -0500

Hey riverrd, gasoline, milk and beans cost money, too! Legislators should get the same raise they vote in for all State Employees. They stick out their bottom lips and give us the poor talk, speaking of rising costs and inflation. Inflation hits me too, and everyone else who works for the state, and we are way behind the curve in getting raises to keep up with it.

Re: Kinnaird: Raise pay automatically

PercyKution — Thu, 05 Mar 2009 19:28:49 -0500

WHAT A CROOK!!!!

Re: Kinnaird: Raise pay automatically

robdarich — Thu, 05 Mar 2009 17:18:55 -0500

so, river-baby, you see where people pay 10 times over what a job pays to land a job - as an indicator that they deserve more pay?

Seems you got one thing right: "I use this term with all due respect,...idiots!" since you should respect those who are smarter than you.

Re: Coble: Pay affects who serves

robdarich — Thu, 05 Mar 2009 16:26:49 -0500

N&O, please start listing campaign expeditures for these people. The idea that salary effects whos elected seems intresting, but a set of digits should quickly determine what's real and what's just interesting. If it's a mouthpeice for public policy, just give us the average, or the mode.

Re: Kinnaird: Raise pay automatically

alaskan1 — Thu, 05 Mar 2009 16:20:41 -0500

We don't need legislators. All we need are robots that automatically raise taxes any time there is a problem. Oh. that 's what we already have.

Re: Bill would get citizen input on pay

robdarich — Thu, 05 Mar 2009 16:19:35 -0500

So the chosen few are going to choose a few so it doesn't seem that the few are making choices? That's weird. The "one off" majority sounds almost plausible, except for the "randomly" selected part of it.

Why not propose nothing? That's more than "less", which is what a randomly selected group of people would likely be experiencing due, in part, to the performance of the state's legislators.

And Sen. Clodfelter, please state your campaign expenditures for the last election so people don't have to take time to look it up when trying to qualify how much stake to put into what an elected official says. Mechlenburg County huh? are you a Jim Black kinda guy, or do you aspire to a more elevated sense of public service, perhaps a Lawrence Cobb type?

Re: Coble: Pay affects who serves

MissV — Thu, 05 Mar 2009 16:04:25 -0500

Thanks, Bro. Coble. Maybe this is why lobbyists fund legislators who will pay to play and have huge campaign accounts. If this is standard operating procedure, maybe we should release former Rep. Jim Black.

Self Government Cost, you Knownothings !!

riverrd — Thu, 05 Mar 2009 15:33:20 -0500

How dumb can most of you people be!! Democracy and Self-government cost! This is no longer a state of a small number of farmers and craftmens as it was when it was formed out of the wilderness! We cannot rely on a few 'Gentleman Farmers' to gather for a few weeks each year to past tariffs and laws against stealing horses, at their own expense. This is the 21st Century with 21st Century problems and needs. Governing this great state is a Full Time Job in need of Full Time Legislators and they need and must be paid as professionals! And it means a larger salary financed by taxes, yes I said TAXES! The acts of our Legislature have a deep and profound effect on our lives and I want the best we can elect to make these laws. Those of you who scream 'NO NEW TAXES' at everything, and I use this term with all due respect, are idiots! You people are just true-believing, Flat-Earth Republicans that cannot understand the world in which you live. If you depend on a doctor or lawyer or teacher, then you want the best you or your family can afford. The same applys for your government. Grow up and become educated on how self-government works!

Re: Kinnaird: Raise pay automatically

rtoddmitchell — Thu, 05 Mar 2009 14:11:26 -0500

I'd go for this. Seems somewhat fair anyway.

I doubt any state employees will be getting raises in the next couple of years anyway. They'll be lucky to keep their jobs. So, I doubt legislators would vote for this anyway.

In recent years, State workers have been averaging about 2% raises each year. That ain't much on $13k a year.

When compared to other state spending, this is a non-issue.