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Re: Bill would deny bail to illegal aliens

ryanteaguebeckwith — Sat, 14 Feb 2009 20:50:24 -0500

Comment thread closed. Gosh please watch your attacks.

— RTB

Gosh Must Go

Montcalm — Sat, 14 Feb 2009 17:28:27 -0500

I agree with the posts below, in that "Gosh" and his/her commentary has just gone too far. "Gosh" is now not only coming off as a racist, but now a full fledged homophobe. I call on RTB to cancel his account

Gosh needs to be censored RTB

tangoz — Sat, 14 Feb 2009 16:04:04 -0500

Ryan
I see you have decided NOT to delete the comments of GOSH and warn this person. Do YOU even know what your own policies for this BLOG are?
I do believe calling someone a "perv" especially with ZERO substantiation is grounds for deletion and atleast a warning if not banishment from this BLOG.

Gosh endorses alien rapist???

CitizenOpinionated — Sat, 14 Feb 2009 11:43:52 -0500

Show me the statistics that he is perv. Where are they? Beuller!

Re: Bill would deny bail to illegal aliens

CitizenOpinionated — Sat, 14 Feb 2009 09:09:12 -0500

You presented no facts...you merely played an association game. And I thought those were off limits otherwise according to your logic I could say that Obama hates America and is trying to run this country into ground...words similar came from the mouth of his former Pastor...

No wait you Dems got you panties in a bundle when the Reps did that.

You have no sense of logic or perceptions of reality. Dems lose policy debates thus resort to personal attacks.

Thank you for playing...

Re: Burr would post bail for Albemarle rapists...

Gosh — Fri, 13 Feb 2009 19:46:35 -0500

Just not Mexican speeders.

Nice to know.

Calling all grown ups in Stanly County to run against this opportunistic child bail bondsman that had no competition in the General election.

Welcome to the big leagues Justin. And shame on Stanly County for letting you file unopposed when your Republican mentor got caught with his pants down days before filing.

Bill denied for the IRONY alone.

You are the perv that trained you.

The more I learn about Justin P. Burr...

CitizenHerniated wants to know why Justin Burr is a Perv?

Gosh — Fri, 13 Feb 2009 11:21:26 -0500

Statistics. I mean his Republican mentor was, right? And Justin just fell in line proposing the most ironic bill a bail bondsman ever did.

"I want the child rapists I put back on the streets to be from here."

Thanks for playing.

Re: Bill would deny bail to illegal aliens

CitizenOpinionated — Fri, 13 Feb 2009 11:12:01 -0500

Support your facts Gosh...you are making some very libel claims, please support. Justin is happily married, thus how do you conclude that he is a perv?

Re: Bill would deny bail to illegal aliens

CitizenOpinionated — Thu, 12 Feb 2009 14:48:29 -0500

Kudos to Ryan for posting the story and readily acknowledging the political party of the donor...

Everyone gives you a hard time so I wanted to say thanks for presenting all the facts...CNN has yet to present these facts...

Re: Bill would deny bail to illegal aliens

CitizenOpinionated — Thu, 12 Feb 2009 14:44:03 -0500

Well stated...

I just wanted to comment on FFC's mention of Hughes. This is/was the largest PR stunt known to man.

Ms. Hughes was at the Ft. Meyers townhall meeting for Obama to sell his economic stimulus package. After the delivery of his written speech, Pres. Obama opened the floor to questions. A staffer gave the mic to Ms. Henrietta Hughes, who happens to be homeless. After telling her story, she asked Pres. Obama for her "own kitchen and bathroom." Obama walked over and gave her a hug and told her that a staffer would be by soon to talk to her. The staffer ended up giving Ms. Hughes a card with the information of some top-level government official in DC. Soon after it is reported that the wife of a Florida Congressman has a spare house valued at $150,000 and decided to give the house to Ms. Hughes. The Congressman happens to be a Republican...PS. End of story and a fairy tale ending.

First of all, I have been working in the political world most of my life and I know that the people that get into these type of townhall meetings are either diehard supports, volunteers of the party or big time donors. Given Ms. Hughes great seats, my guess is that she was planted or was given a ticket to attend, perhaps she should have been out looking for work, but that is my opinion.

Anyways, she was wearing a well pressed black suit and it is clear that she has on a touches of make-up. Well given that she claimed she lived in a pick-up truck with her 38-year old son, must be hard to iron a suit in the back of a pickup truck as well as put on makeup.

Some on the board will resort to calling me insensitive, but I am just stating the facts of the case.

P.S. why isn't her 38 year old son stepping up and finding a job to help his mother, where is the sense of personal responsibility promoted by Obama?

Continuing on...so Ms. Hughes is the proud owner of house that is valued at $150,000. This is great step up for a woman that has been homeless for some time and cannot find work...

But she will have to pay taxes on the gift of the house, plus the property tax. These obstacles will be hard to overcome since she has no job. Perhaps ole Tim and Tom will show her how to avoid the taxes, but this honestly puts this woman in worse shape. She will only struggle and eventually have the house taken from her and the kind family that donated the house will lose potential money and assets from this contribution.

I am of the opinion that this might have been the greatest PR stunt ever seen.

How come the media is not giving Ms. Hughes the once over as Joe the Plumber received...fair is fair...

Re: Bill would deny bail to illegal aliens

ishley — Thu, 12 Feb 2009 13:44:19 -0500

As a former Assistant District Attorney, I observed that Hispanic individuals are statistically far less likely to show up for their court date. It was unbelievable how many traffic court defendants had surnames of Hispanic origin: way over their proportion of the population. Go to www.nccourts.org and pull up some traffic court calendars and see for yoruself. Out of that conspicuously disproportionate number of Hispanic surnames, in my experience only a very small fraction ever attempted to address their traffic charge in any way whatsoever. Routinely less than 25% of presumedly Hispanic individuals would show up for their court date; often it was closer to 10%. In chambers before court, our (admittedly inappropriate) bailiff would get a chuckle of reading out loud the rhyming surnames on the calendar: "Lopez, Gomez, Perez, Rodriguez, Hernandez, Martinez, etc." Then he'd look up from the calendar and say, "Looks like it'll be a quick day, Mr. DA. They ain't gonna show."

I generally support comprehensive immigation reform that would allow many if not most current aliens to remain in the U.S. and work towards citizenship. Until that time I believe that we need to insist that illegal immigrants follow our (non-immigration) laws, including traffic laws. My perception is that a large number of Hispanics either aren't aware of our traffic laws or choose not to obey them. I can't believe that our current "enforcement" of those laws has much of a deterrent effect because illegal immigants know that they never have to actually show up for court. After all, they're not on the state's radar in the first place. It's cake to assume a new identity. On the other hand, if an official or unofficial policy to deny bail is put into place, I think that word will spread quickly and illegal immigrants will be much more careful about obeying the traffic laws. That will promote safety on the road, which is the ultimate point of having traffic laws. Make no mistakes, a lot of bad traffic accidents are caused by unlicensed drivers, a disproportionate number of whom are illegal aliens from Latin America.

With regard to the funding issues others have raised, if these folks actually start paying their traffic fines and court costs, I think the new policy would wind up paying for itself. At a minimum that revenue will mitigate some of the enforcement costs. As to folks who worry about relatively more dangerous criminals being let go, I don't think that's relevant to the discussion of the merits of this question, nor do I think it's particularly plausible.

My bottom line is that if we as a society are not willing to deport all illegal aliens, we owe it to law-abiding citizens to take measures to ensure that the illegals live by our laws. Denying bail for traffic violations is the first solution I've heard offered to address what is a very real danger to the citizens of this state: unlicensed, unregulated, uneducated, and unsafe drivers.

Re: Bill would deny bail to illegal aliens

ryanteaguebeckwith — Thu, 12 Feb 2009 12:48:08 -0500

Actually, it was the wife of a Republican legislator who helped Ms. Hughes. See the CNN story here.

— RTB

Re: Bill would deny bail to illegal aliens

FFC1304 — Thu, 12 Feb 2009 12:45:36 -0500

Wonder if Ms. Hughes was promised her new kitchen by an Obama staffer after the questions?

Re: Bill would deny bail to illegal aliens

FFC1304 — Thu, 12 Feb 2009 12:44:48 -0500

Fantastic IDEA! holdem til ICE comes to their 'rescue'...

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Re: Bill would deny bail to illegal aliens

bnartist — Thu, 12 Feb 2009 12:16:47 -0500

He's also a realtor, so he can fix you up with a nice house arrest.