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Re: Dole lawyers: 'Godless' ad is truthful

galateaparty — Sun, 02 Nov 2008 07:46:29 -0500

What an idiot Dole is, to not back off her outrageous claims. It's obviously NOT working. Couldn't she see where making such claims has gotten other candidates this time around? Bachmann, Hayes, Palin... all have run into opposition for making such anti-American charges against opponents and consitutents. Even Chambliss and McConnell are threatened. So you choose a tactic to alienate moderates?

She was only down slightly with polls showing Hagan up less than one percent, in a virtual tie. Now that she's run this ad, she's down 5.5%.

This woman is either too stupid or too arrogant to be senator. Or, maybe she's senile. Send her back to Kansas, DC or wherever she really would rather be.

Regardless of the fact that Hagan IS a Christian... so what if she wasn't? Since when is subscription to a particular belief a requirement for public office?

I'm absolutely flummoxed that this is an issue AT ALL.

Taking the Lord's name in vain

Isaac136 — Fri, 31 Oct 2008 08:59:10 -0400

It's refreshing to see that most Americans, and especially conservatives Republicans, are recoiling in disgust from Dole's pathetic smear.

We have Michelle Bachman losing money for trying to resurrect Joe McCarthy, we've got Robin Hayes having to gag on his own words (it was kind of fun watching him squirm there), we have Sarah Palin claiming some states don't love the country as much as other states, and we've got Elizabeth Dole accusing a fellow Christian of being 'godless.'

Nice.

Re: Dole lawyers: 'Godless' ad is truthful

CarolinaJeanie — Fri, 31 Oct 2008 00:19:27 -0400

This ad is horrendous. I am glad Kay Hagan, a fine woman that I know, has made a response commercial. The funny part in this article is the fact that Carter Wrenn is appalled by it. That is the pot calling the kettle black! If not for him and Jesse Helms and Tom Ellis, this state would have never seen such garbage as negative ads. Their hate filled lies filled the airways every six years.

Re: Dole lawyers: 'Godless' ad is truthful

ericandbeth — Thu, 30 Oct 2008 22:51:59 -0400

"Those who ignore history are bound to repeat it." In an election in Minnesota between Rudy Boschwitz, a well-funded incumbent Republican senator, and Paul Wellstone, a Democratic party gad-fly, Boschwitz had the election sewn up until just before the election he came out and stated "I am a better Jew" than Paul Wellstone (both candidates were Jewish). Boschwitz lost the election, and most people polled who had changed their vote or made up their mind at the last minute said they attributed their vote for Wellstone directly to Boschwitz's statment about his "better" religious practices. I guess North Carolina (and the rest of the planet thanks to the web) now knows that Ms. Dole beleives she is a "better" Christian than her opponent. Isn't that special!? May God bless you all and good luck!

Re: Dole lawyers: 'Godless' ad is truthful

Bradleyjms — Thu, 30 Oct 2008 22:32:12 -0400

The ad implies that Hagan is the person saying 'there is no god'. If/since Hagan took money, make that plain and have Hagan explain that.

Taking bucks and support from this PAC should trouble us; as should money and support from the klan, the Wright, or the terrorist organizaton. Can our candidate make her/his point and still be descent?

History is upon us...

Bradleyjms — Thu, 30 Oct 2008 22:17:43 -0400

Yes, the specter of the past is upon us. Can you say NC Congressional Club? Can you say Helms/Gantt? As a life-long Democrat, AND ardent Liddy Dole supporter, I am ashamed and completely disappointed with my (our) current Lady Senator and her handlers. The implication of the ad is spurious and in poor taste. Simply put, it is real wrong. Senator, can you do me (maybe us) a favor? You answer the question: "What DID she promise them (the "godless folks)? What, Senator, do you promise the folks from whom you get donations and support?

Senator Dole, this ad and its message is beneath you or at the least beneath the Lady Dole I have supported for so long (50 year old ECU boy here). It smacks of a past we ALL in NC and this country need to leave behind. Mrs. Dole, you lost my vote.!

JBrad, Cumberland County

Re: Dole lawyers: 'Godless' ad is truthful

PercyKution — Thu, 30 Oct 2008 22:17:02 -0400

Dole is a COMPLETE failure. Her husband has to take Viagra.
On the other hand, HAGen's so ugly Viagra wouldn't help her husband.
Neither one of 'em worth a pitcher of warm spit.

Re: Dole better pray

Isaac136 — Thu, 30 Oct 2008 21:52:20 -0400

that God forgives her for bearing false witness.

Re: Dole lawyers: 'Godless' ad is truthful

OldDog — Thu, 30 Oct 2008 21:42:51 -0400

Every time you see the third brake light on a car think of Liddy's accomplishment at DOT - At the very least Liddy voted against the Bail Out - you know - the one where they KEEP WASTING OUR MONEY ON SPAS AND TRIPS?

As for what Fibber Kay would have done I think she said:

I WILL LET YOU KNOW!!! I WILL LET YOU KNOW!!! I WILL LET YOU KNOW!!!

influence without integrity

ottothewise — Thu, 30 Oct 2008 21:01:06 -0400

1 Let's focus on the liar. Dole made an ad which attempts to influence without integrity.

That's the TRUTH. The ad implies that Hagan is not a Christian or even a person who believes in a higher power.

All the lawyerly spin doesnt change the Dole lie into Christian charity.

2. DSCC is ultra-liberal? Nice try at another smear association, right in the middle of a discussion of Dole smear attacks! DSCC is an outside group? Wrong again. DSCC is actually the Democratic party's campaign fund to elect Senators. There are millions of Carolinians who are now Democrats you know.

Re: Dole lawyers: 'Godless' ad is truthful

tangoz — Thu, 30 Oct 2008 20:49:02 -0400

Ryan I thought you deleted offensive comments? Apparently not if they come from the left?

Re: Dole lawyers: 'Godless' ad is truthful

tangoz — Thu, 30 Oct 2008 20:46:05 -0400

Last time I looked Schumer had pumped over 11 million dollars in negative ads against Dole. So yes he has a effect here.

Hagan WAS at the Godless PAC event and accepted 2,000 dollars from them. So how is the Dole ad not factual again?

Re: Dole lawyers: 'Godless' ad is truthful

ottothewise — Thu, 30 Oct 2008 20:44:33 -0400

When the election is really, close picking off prejudiced voters is all that Dole has left.
This may be a straw man to a reasonable person, but remember, 23% of Texans polled yesterday claim that Obama is a Muslim even after he said on Tv repeatedly that he is born-again. I would have thought that any Christian would be pleased to hear a person's confession of being born-again, but the slew of lie-emails and the wish to influence others by lies trumps truth. Dole doesnt care about the truth. She wanted to 'convince' thousands of voters to repeat the lie. Hagan's reply is excellent. THOU SHALT NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS and the GOP lawyerly reply that the voice is not really Hagan's does not clean up the evil intent.

THOU SHALT NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS.

Re: Dole lawyers: 'Godless' ad is truthful

ottothewise — Thu, 30 Oct 2008 20:36:46 -0400

Wow!! Does Chuck Schumer vote in Carolina?

Actually millions of North Carolinians are fed up with the failed policies of the GOP.

Bush's pro-WTO policies led to the crushing loss of the textile companies which left the USA.
Bush's cabinet failed to care enough for the Carolinians who were laid off. Bush's cabinet failed to provide re-training and Bush himself cannot address the economic woes of Carolina because he 'believes in' the ideology of letting the market self-adjust. That's rich-speak for "let them eat cake". The anti-socialist rhetoric means, dont help anyone with long term re-training and extended benefits, even when an entire region or industry is in ruins.

Chuck Schumer does not vote in Carolina, and blaming the polls on him is lame. Carolina is saying no to Dole and Palin's tactics. We are ALL, REAL Americans!

Re: Dole lawyers: 'Godless' ad is truthful

ottothewise — Thu, 30 Oct 2008 20:24:05 -0400

Oh no!! There were two people at a fundraiser whose religion is different from Dole's and Hagan's.

Imagine. In all Dole's years in office, did she ever meet Muslims, Buddhists or any other belief than her own, maybe even two atheists????
Maybe not. She's not in Carolina much.