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Re: Jobs count

taylor — Tue, 03 Nov 2009 00:49:20 -0500

Even if the numbers are off a little, the real point is that the stimulus package saved a bunch of jobs, probably close to 22,000--or 20,000 or 23,000--it doesn't really matter exactly.

This is good news and probably caused North Carolina to have less unemployment, say from 12% to 11%. This is not "crap" as one writer has indicated, nor is it wrong for DOE to put out statistics on jobs related to education.

These government haters cannot see the forest for the trees.

Charles Malone
Raleigh

Re: Jobs count

PaulTerrell — Mon, 02 Nov 2009 18:20:51 -0500

The Department of Education needs to be ABOLISHED! And second what does the DOE have to do with a economic statistic anyways?

HMMMMM???

PoliticalJunkie — Mon, 02 Nov 2009 13:43:18 -0500

Could you tell how many fell into the saved category and how many fell into the created category? I mean if you know that exactly 22,398 jobs were created you should be able to separate the saved from the created, right?

This looks like a load of C_R_A_P, dumped to try and obscure the fact we've got an 11% unemployment rate here in NC.

Re: Report: Tax hikes don't mean job losses

sky5714 — Fri, 28 Aug 2009 12:30:59 -0400

Mr. Jackson -
First of all, your bio is on ncjustice.org - looks like you have a MA (masters in what?) from the School of Journalism at UNC-CH, & a PhD (in what?) from the Dept. of Gvt at Cornell. And you've done consultant work for labor unions & performed collective bargaining studies. Why not share with us the subject of your degrees?

Secondly, your 2-page brief cites 2003 research from Arizona St. Univ., stats from the IRS & Census Bureau, & research from the NEA - well of course the NEA will be pro-tax. Would you cite research from the NC Pork Producers Assoc'n to push an agenda to eat more pork? No, didn't think so.

I'm confused - in your comments you refer to Nobel prize winners & the head of the OMB. I don't see any such references in the brief. I must be missing something - please clarify. Thank you.

Re: Report: Tax hikes don't mean job losses

stevejackson — Fri, 28 Aug 2009 11:19:21 -0400

That civility and a focus on the battle of ideas, so core to democracy, should be so marginalized of late by some on the right causes me as much concern as does any direction of policy, be it health, state taxation or foreign. No doubt some liberals have also joined that damaging trend and I am aghast at that, too.

While I am tempted to answer the aspersions from Mr Balfour about my economics training, it suffices to say that I do not know him and he certainly knows nothing about me or my education in economics.

If you read the analysis in the Brief - that it is better for state governments to increase taxes in order to maintain government-sponsored employment during a recession because 100% of the money is spent in-state - you will notice that this view is held by some pretty heavy-hitter economists, including Nobel Prize winners and the current head of the Office of Management of the Budget. Hardly bizarro. The idea is mainstream. The overwhelming majority of state governments through their actions to raise more revenue during this recession clearly agree.

Re: Report: Tax hikes don't mean job losses

sky5714 — Fri, 28 Aug 2009 10:36:15 -0400

What drivel. Why would such a report even get visibility here?

Let's see who's on the Board of Directors:

Rev. William Barber, head of the NC NAACP; Gene Nichol, HA!!!; Orage Quarles, publisher of the N&O; and the usual assortment of lawyers & people who are employed by non-profits. Duh, they have a vested interest in perpetuating the same tired Democratic high-tax gvt structure, where citizens, directly or indirectly, have their tax dollars used to fund these non-profits in the form of grants & contracts. Can you say "self-serving"?

Hey, I think I'm going to start a non-profit, fund it with tax dollars, then manufacture a report that argues for high taxes. Brilliant!

Re: Report: Tax hikes don't mean job losses

neo_mom — Thu, 27 Aug 2009 21:06:55 -0400

@scharrison

"you're not only engaging in the same tired, inflammatory, sophomoric, and fear-mongering rhetoric"

You mean like "tea-bagger"?

FAIL.

and the folks with the Obama as Nazi posters at the townhalls are LaRouche backers and are about as right-wing as you are... http://www.larouchepac.com/

Re: Report: Tax hikes don't mean job losses

scharrison — Thu, 27 Aug 2009 17:35:09 -0400

The folks over at the N.C. Justice Center are more than capable of defending themselves, but I do have a few things to say to Mr. Balfour:

First off, by categorizing NCJC as "an outfit driven by Marxist ideology" in your introductory sentence, you're not only engaging in the same tired, inflammatory, sophomoric, and fear-mongering rhetoric exhibited by pundits and tea-baggers with their "Obama is a Nazi!" drivel, you also started out your little hit piece with the dual logical fallacies of Argumentum ad hominem and Argumentum ad populum.

Now, I will freely admit that there are precious few issues that we can even come close to agreeing on, but, as I've said before, you guys are a pretty smart bunch. When you find yourself tempted to use language like the above, you need to consider what that can do to your overall image. Make no mistake, it would suit me just fine if the rank and file in the General Assembly, especially the Democrats (hint hint), chose to ignore the "product" coming out of JLF/Civitas. Keep going down that road and you'll find yourself where you should be, on the outside trying to look in.

As far as "Statism vs Entrepreneurship" issue, you're casually overlooking some pretty important factors. Not only do many entrepreneurs actively seek State (and Federal) contracts, a lot of them wouldn't have even sketched a rough outline of a business plan in the absence of those contracts. As a matter of fact, most (State, anyway) government contracts address issues like infrastructure and education, meaning much of those lucrative projects that entrepreneurs salivate over wouldn't even exist in the strictly private sector. If any of you real entrepreneurs are interested, here's some guidelines (pdf) for you.

While there is some merit to the "tax hurts the bottom line which discourages investment" angle, to ignore the economic reality of the State being such a huge consumer of goods and services from the private sector leaves such a gaping pothole in your bottom-line analysis that it simply must be discarded as irrelevant. Your deep-seated dislike and disdain for government is a handicap, although you probably can't see it.

Now, see? You don't have to use hyperbolic crutches like "Marxist" to engage in debate. I went through that whole thing there without mentioning Puppets or Free Market Funda...okay, I just mentioned them, but it doesn't count because I was already done. ;)

Re: Report: Tax hikes don't mean job losses

captainjack — Thu, 27 Aug 2009 14:06:03 -0400

I can think of several other opinions I might value more on the subject of jobs rather than the N. C. Justice Center.

For example, what does Elizabeth Edwards have to say?

Re: Report: Tax hikes don't mean job losses

neo_mom — Thu, 27 Aug 2009 12:42:48 -0400

Wow! What a shocker!!

A lefist-statist special interest group that suck off taxpayer dollars is applauding the budget that was created by the politicians they bought with that same taxpayer money.

How about you guys tell everyone what the NC Justice Center really is, what they really want, who backs them, and who they back.

After that ask small businesses how the tax and fee hikes will work for them? If they can stay in business, how many will they hire? Or with all the private sector unemployment, salary cuts/freezes and furloughs, how much people will really spend? Do you REALLY think that raising the sales and income taxes will entice people to spend more?

Re: Biden targets McCain in Charlotte

carolo — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 16:59:34 -0400

Gordon Liddy

In 1998, Liddy's home was the site of a McCain fundraiser. Over the years, he has made at least four contributions totaling $5,000 to the senator's campaigns--including $1,000 this year.

Last November, McCain went on his radio show. Liddy greeted him as "an old friend," and McCain sounded like one. "I'm proud of you, I'm proud of your family," he gushed. "It's always a pleasure for me to come on your program, Gordon, and congratulations on your continued success and adherence to the principles and philosophies that keep our nation great."

So much time is spent talking of william Ayers when Obama was 8 years old, how about McCain just this year?

Re: Biden targets McCain in Charlotte

carolo — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 16:57:14 -0400

From McCains book regarding did he put Country First in his 2000 election.

He admitted his answer was NO and gave the reason below.
"I didn't decide to run for president to start a national crusade for the political reforms I believed in or to run a campaign as if it were some grand act of patriotism. In truth, I wanted to become president because it had become my ambition to be president. I was 62 years old when I made the decision, and I thought it was my one shot at the prize...
In truth, I'd had the ambition for a long time... it had been there, in the back of my mind, for years, as if it were simply a symptom of my natural restlessness."

If he admits to being desperate back in 2000, no wonder he is so desperate now that he must lie so much.

Sour grapes about Biden

Isaac136 — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 15:34:28 -0400

Oh you sorry ole GOPers are just jealous because your lame candidate chose Palin. The stench from that brilliant "maverick" move is driving people away from the ticket in droves.

And the best you can do is grip about Biden?

Go anywhere -- a blog, a chatroom, a message board, and if you see someone who has managed to work "JD" into a screen or user name, you are seeing a pompous twit who was probably on every *ssh*le bingo card in his or her 1st, 2nd, and 3rd year class.

Wow 1500 people sounds like McCain numbers

Gosh — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 15:26:21 -0400

But these aren't skinhead felon secessionists. They can vote.

Re: Biden targets McCain in Charlotte

shaw69 — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 15:22:47 -0400

Wow 1500 people sounds like McCain numbers