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Re: GOP: ACORN vote fraud 'rampant'

domewatcher — Thu, 16 Oct 2008 13:05:40 -0400

Isaac,

I tend to like anyone who agrees with me..... or thinks that Mickey Mouse votes. And when Dan told me he saw some rodents in the voting booth, well, he's got to be an ok kinda guy. Some of these guys don't seem to have the requisite sense of humor to survive politics.... but Dan and you have passed the test. Being a true southern conservative (the definition being a man who married the only daughter of an incredibly rich man) means that, like a rat, I know when to get off a sinking ship. Now if the ship doesn't sink then I will merely say that I was going for help.

Politics is all about surviving........and telling a few lies when necessary or when opportune or when it's what they want to hear or if it's a day with a vowel in it.

Domewatcher or dumbwatcher or peeping Tom.....it's all the same.

Re: GOP: ACORN vote fraud 'rampant'

Isaac136 — Thu, 16 Oct 2008 12:43:07 -0400

Domewatcher,

It almost sounds as though you don't trust Mickey Mouse. When has Mickey ever led you to think he be involved with anything nefarious? Never, that's when.

Second, I have some questions about this siting that Dan claims. While Mickey's rep is pretty clean, have you met Dan? The guy's a wreck! He failed to mention that he "saw" Mickey and Co. within minutes of polishing off a bottle of rum (yes, rum).

Think about it. Disney or Dan? Who do you believe?

Isaac

Re: GOP: ACORN vote fraud 'rampant'

domewatcher — Thu, 16 Oct 2008 11:49:33 -0400

Here again the liberals are missing the point! Not seeing the rats for the mice or the vermin for the varmints. Look at the undisputed truth in this series of posts……..look no further than “Under the Dome!”

First, Pat wrote: “Mickey Mouse is not going to show up at the polls on election day.” Then Gercohen wrote: “No one is going to have ID for Mickey Mouse.” And just his morning Dan wrote: “However, I do think the Republicans are onto something about all this voter fraud, while at an early vote site this a.m. there were several large symmetrically eared rodents in front of me trying to vote.”

Two posters said all this stuff about Mickey Mouse was phony and just this morning, Dan, who is no doubt a truthful and great American, testifies to seeing someone or something which sounds a great deal like Mickey standing in the line to vote! And possibly brought Minnie and several of the kids and grandkids with him.

Are you people blind to what is going on? Look at the facts. It is irrefutable facts such as these which prove why us conservatives are intellectually superior. We can smell a rat a mile away, especially if he is one of our relatives. We have more proof about Mickey voting than we did about all those weapons of mass destruction. And you thought we were crazy about that too……..DUH!!!

I rest my case.

Re: GOP: ACORN vote fraud 'rampant'

danmanley2299 — Thu, 16 Oct 2008 11:07:59 -0400

Isaac, I appreciate any post that works in a good use of bloviate. That is awesome. However, I do think the Republicans are onto something about all this voter fraud, while at an early vote site this a.m. there were several large symmetrically eared rodents in front of me trying to vote, greatly retarded the civic process, curses to ACORN.

GOP's ACORN MYTH

Isaac136 — Thu, 16 Oct 2008 10:17:47 -0400

Rapidtransit -- You're on a very, very slow train.

How can you have read the reports about what ACORN is and what actions constituted the fraud and still be so clueless about what DID NOT occur? Are ya just not READING?

The GOP is desperately trying to blow up this pitiful, minimal instances of some lazy idiots using phone books to fill out forms into an excuse for McCain's blowing the election.

This cheesey, sleazy GOP bloviating is no better than Palin's mystifying denials of what the ethics report said about her behavior. There it is, right in the report, that the woman abused her office and she calls it vindication. I suppose Palin is counting on people not reading the report, but simply taking her word that "abuser" means "reformer," just as the GOP knows that people won't read the actual news reports on ACORN but will instead gobble up the GOP's creative interpretations.

But maybe the Republicans have learned, given the gullibility of the voters after the first four years of Bush, that if you say "war is peace, "white is black," and "spam is steak" over and over and over, people will eat it up.

Re: GOP: ACORN vote fraud 'rampant'

rapidtransit — Thu, 16 Oct 2008 06:53:39 -0400

The last poster stated the following:

"The canvasser is actually not trying to influence the election in any way."

How can you know? I do not know how many canvassers that ACORN employs but I cannot fathom that at least one of them might be partial to a particular candidate. My personal belief is that "most" of the canvassers do have a particular candidate in mind when they "target" potential voters with the gift of a cigarette or a dollar.

But then again, like you, I can't know.

voter fraud vs registration fraud

gercohen — Wed, 15 Oct 2008 14:52:08 -0400

In North Carolina, what happens if you make up a name and address on a voter registration form? If you make up a drivers license number, it's not going to match the DMV database (or if you leave that blank) and it defaults to the Social Security database. If you make up a SSN number (or leave it blank), it's not going to match, it goes to the third level: Voter has to present ID at the polls. No one is going to have ID for Mickey Mouse, or any of the fake people dreamed up by the canvasser trying to earn money. The canvasser is actually not trying to influence the election in any way.

Not to excuse the felony of fraudulently forging a voter registration application under oath, this is extremely unlikely to result in anyone being able to vote because of this.

Also, there are other safeguards when the voter card comes back undeliverable, but I won't even get to that.

If a real person registers 72 times at their address, this is not going to result in more than one vote. If a real person registers 72 times at a fake address, it is either going to result in one vote or no vote.

What the voter registration fraud mainly does is burden county boards of elections at their busiest time with dealing with useless verifications and mailings.

Yes, it is a felony.

Re: GOP: ACORN vote fraud 'rampant'

gercohen — Wed, 15 Oct 2008 14:51:32 -0400

There actually has been 708,000+ new voters this year, not 467,000. The 467,000 is net of cancellations for moves out of state, cancellations for moves from one county to another within the State, deaths, felony convictions, and voluntary cancellations.

Re: GOP: ACORN vote fraud 'rampant'

patanthony — Wed, 15 Oct 2008 13:40:22 -0400

Mickey Mouse is not going to show up at the polls on election day. Registering "Mickey Mouse" to vote cannot, by any stretch of the imagination, be called voter fraud. There is a world of difference between voter registration fraud and voter fraud.

Re: GOP: ACORN vote fraud 'rampant'

domewatcher — Wed, 15 Oct 2008 12:52:55 -0400

Let us not lose sight of the big picture.

ACORN is doing good works. I say that if a man will register for a cigarette then it shows he’s a good trader. And those who accept a dollar can buy some loosie cigs. This is America at it’s best. And all that fuss about a Florida voter card being submitted for Mickey Mouse with an ACORN stamp. Mickey Mouse is a great American and I do not know of anyone, Democrat or Republican, who will say one word against Mickey. Mickey has done a great deal for this country and if he wants to vote for change……well, it figures. Living in a fantasy world is sometimes fun.

So let’s quit criticizing ACORN. They are one of the few businesses that are making any money these days. Wall Street didn’t have to bail them out! Their business model is one which reflects what made this country great. ACORN is the American dream. Maybe President Obama will subcontract out all future elections to ACORN. They could poll their “registered” voters and tell us who won. It would be cheaper and I am sure that everyone would agree with their decisions. If you cannot trust an organization like ACORN, then who can you trust?

“Every hog finds an acorn every once in a while.” And this is the time, the date and the place for ACORN to finally fulfill it’s dream of trading cigarettes and dollar bills for voter registrations. Why didn’t I think of that?

Always a day late and a dollar short………

Re: GOP: ACORN vote fraud 'rampant'

dahedgehog — Wed, 15 Oct 2008 12:07:19 -0400

Someone (a reporter, maybe!) ought to ask Diaz what he sees as the solution to this problem. Wouldn't the problems he identifies be ameiliorated if registering to vote was made easier (something most Republicans oppose)?

Re: GOP: ACORN vote fraud 'rampant'

captsfufp — Wed, 15 Oct 2008 12:07:16 -0400

I know this requires actually caring about word choice, but I'm pretty sure "voter fraud" actually has a real, legal meaning.

We all (should) know that ACORN is an organization that, frankly, pays poor people to register poor people to vote. The people are paid to get voter registrations. Does this mean that some may "fake" some registrations to get paid? Surely. It's a risk.

But voter fraud is fraudulently registering voters with the intent to affect the election. In this case, any fraudulent registration is being done with the intent to make money.

Has anyone have YET to make a case for actual voter fraud? Do they really think someone (and remember, they would have to already KNOW about the alleged fraudulent registration) will go vote and say, "Why, yes, I AM Mickey Mouse!" Really? GOPers can yell about POTENTIAL voter fraud until they are blue in the face...remember, they said the same thing would happen with same-day voter registration. Anyone remember hearing anything about that in the past elections? Exactly.

C'mon, GOP, just b/c you didn't have the forethought and/or ability to register new voters this year, let's not pick on the poor and young people who registered in record numbers this year. Concentrate on getting your voters out to the polls and let democracy do its job.

GOP: ACORN vote fraud 'rampant'

ryanteaguebeckwith — Wed, 15 Oct 2008 11:28:41 -0400

The Republican National Committee is arguing that voter registration fraud is "rampant" in North Carolina.

During a conference call with reporters this morning, RNC chief counsel Sean Cairncross and spokesman Danny Diaz argued that the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, or ACORN, is submitting fraudulent registration forms here.

The State Board of Elections has found 135 bogus forms out of the nearly 28,000 submitted by the group in North Carolina this year, or about half of one percent.

Overall, more than 467,000 new voters have registered in North Carolina since the beginning of the year.

Diaz argued that the fraudulent forms are a burden to elections directors and risks leading to the disenfranchisement of legitimate voter registrations. He also argued that a percentage of the false forms may end up leading to voter fraud.

"It's hard to catch, but we do know in point of fact that these names get on the rolls," he said.

He pointed to a recent New York Post story that an Ohio man registered to vote multiple times and cast a ballot with a fake address.